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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 23:58 pm 
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a) Search Displays

(i) PD Mode - VEL and AA submodes
Vertical axis velocity and horizontal axis azimuth. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Acquisition Symbol, Velocity Target Symbol.

(ii) PD Mode - PR submode
Vertical axis range and horizontal displacement azimuth. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Acquisition Symbol, Range Target Symbol.

(iii) Pulse Mode
Vertical axis range and horizontal displacement azimuth. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Acquisition Symbol, Target Video

(iv) HI MAP / LO MAP
Offset centre PPI display, having radial distance from indicator baseline centre proportional to range, and angular position proportional to azimuth position. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Target Video. Additionally shows Lateral Offset Cursor and Bombing Range Strobe at 10 and 25 mile ranges.

(v) A.G. Mode
Stationary horizontal position having vertical displacement proportional to range. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Range Strobe, Target Video.

(vi) TERR Mode
Offset centre PPI display. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Target Video, TERR Intensification

(vii) VI Mode
Range vs azimuth display. Symbols: Horizon Line, Elevation Strobe, Acqusition Symbol, Target Video.

b) Acquisition Displays

i) PD Mode - VEL Submode: scan stopped at the target selected by acquisition symbol.
ii) PD Mode - AA Submode: scan stopped at the target selected automatically.
iii) PD Mode - PR Submode: as a) i) above
iv) Pulse Modes - range versus azimuth B type with the scan stopped at the target selected by the acquisition symbol.
v) HI/LO MAP modes - PPI display with scan stopped as an angle commanded by the lateral position of control antenna.
vi) Range versus azimuth B type display with the scan stopped at the targe selected by the acquistion symbol.

c) Track Displays

(i) PD Mode - a range versus azimuth display wit an expanded velocity sweep along the left edge of the display. Adds Allowable Steering Error (ASE) circle, Steering error dot, R min, R a, Range Target Symbol, Range Rate Circle, Range Rate Gap to display.
ii) Pulse, LO MAP HI MAP Modes - a range versus azimuth B type display having dithered sweep with Allowable Steering Error (ASE) circle, R min, R a, Range Target Symbol, Range Rate Circle, Range Rate Gap added to display.
iii) AG Mode - As AG Search display with added range rate circle
iv) J (AOJ only) displays similar to the track displays in the pulse MAP modes with range circle removed.
v) VIS IDENT mode - range versus B type display having dithered sweep, and added symbols for Allowable Steering Error (ASE) circle, Steering error dot, Range Rate Circle, Range Rate Gap, Range Strobe

Performnce Characteristics
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i) Wide and orientable narrow scans provided. Either single, two or three bar scan with retraced centre bar. These are stabilised for roll and pitch. An additional scan is provided for TERR mode.
ii) Minumum detectable signal (Pulse Mode) - capable of displaying a -105dBm peak target signal as applied to the antenna terminals.
iii) Minimum detectable signal (PD Mode - AA/PR Submode)
Automatically detects signals of 5dB S/N ratio closing at velocity from 120-1800 knots greater than the host aircraft velocity. This peformance obtained in the presence of an unwanted signal of 65dB S/N ratio at the velocity of the host aircraft (noise in a 550 cps bandwidth)
iv) Minimum Discernable Signal (PD Mode - VEL Submode)
Capable of displaying a -138 dBm target signal for targets closing at velocities from 120-1800 knots geater than the velocity of the host aircraft. This is about 3dB less than the minimum detectable signal of the previous paragraph.

b) Tracking operation
Satisfactory tracking will be accomplished under the following conditions at S/N ratios greater than 6dB.
i) Capable of tracking a target within view angle of 120 deg azimuth & elevation.
ii) Capability of tracking target with angular line of site rate of 15 deg/sec
iii) Capability of tracking targets to at least 50 miles in pulse and 100 miles in Pulse Doppler modes.
iv) Capable of acquiring & tracking a targe closing up to 3190 knots and opening at 290 knots.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 00:01 am 
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Now you HAVE to get some useful info out of all that data I posted! :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 00:24 am 
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wow thanks alot cag this is good stuff. im glad i found some info on this at last. thanks again. but most of the info were way too technical for FA purposes. However i managed to gather a few important points:

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) Capable of tracking a target within view angle of 120 deg azimuth & elevation.
ii) Capability of tracking target with angular line of site rate of 15 deg/sec
iii) Capability of tracking targets to at least 50 miles in pulse and 100 miles in Pulse Doppler modes.
iv) Capable of acquiring & tracking a targe closing up to 3190 knots and opening at 290 knots.

The AWG-10A's missile envelope was more like a mushroom, if you will - and much more accurately described the lethal zone of the missiles

c) CW Illumination Mode: At a frequency of 10,125 +- M/cs the sidelobe levl is higher than -6dB within 10 deg of boresight and higher than 12dB at angles from 10 deg to 35 deg from boresight.


this confirms my suspicion that AWG-10 had wide azimuth scans (+-60). The elevation and vertical scan on this radar is still unknown but im guessing (+30/-15). Secondly this radar had descent range and accuracy, 60nm versus a mig-21 type target. AWG-10 was difficult to operate in the F-4. Also this radar was exclusively used on the F-4J and F-4S variants only. which means the F-4D and E models used different radars. so hence the mystery still remains on the specifications of the earlier generation F-4s, specifically the AN/APQ-72 which I am sure now was definitely housed in the F-4E.

one of your sources is totally wrong, the F-4Es never used the APG-30 avionics:
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Tracking Range Against Small fighter:
EFA-2000 (ECR 90): 160-175 km
F-4E (AN/APG-30): 38 km


so im not sure if i should trust the 38km range. however the stock specs for the MiG-29 N019 radar in fighters anthology are surprisingly accurate and match his description!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 20:12 pm 
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See this thread as well:

http://www.airtalk.org/re-vietnam-era-f-4s-q-vt24773.html

I've moved this thread to Military Discussion because it wasn't really FA specific.


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Ali, glad I could be of some help to you...

Ali you have to remember many issues limited these generations of radars. Heavy water vapor in dense clouds could limit the effeectiveness, plus MiGs were very small targets with small RCS so they would usually be detectable at half the range that a US aircraft would, such as another F-4...

Zephyr your link is excellent! That data should be helpful to Ali as well...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 21:59 pm 
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yep i have already considered MiG-21s small rcs. also, some sources claim that an F/A-18E has a much smaller RCS than the F-4 or the F-15 even. i have reduced RCS for F/A-18 and F-16 as well as the MiG-21, F-5 and various other small aircrafts. in my tests the MiG-31 radar can detect an F-4 at approxiamatelly 100nm, but it has a detection range of 65nm for F-5 or F/A-18E. and ya thanks for the link zephyr that confirms my thoughts about the F-4E radar range. about 50nm MAX for air to air except for large size targets such as bombers/tankers.

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The F/A-18E is suppossed to have a RCS smaller than even the F-16...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 17:40 pm 
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maybe so, even though i doubt it. even if it has a smaller frontal rcs, i doubt it has a smaller rear rcs than the F-16D. so i gave them both same rcs size...

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FA-18E/F has RAM in the intakes, F-16 doesnt, thus the smaller RCS...

Also rear RCS is always low, as real radar gets a much bigger return off of fan blades on the engines than anywhere else on the aircraft...

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ok thanks for the info, i'll fix that.

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