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 Post subject: Re: Iran Discussion
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 12:21 pm 
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If you're lucky to find it, and twice as lucky to catch it- then you must by thrice as lucky to manage to shoot the thing down in a dogfight.......

This thing can hit mach 1 without even lighting its afterburners..........

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 15:51 pm 
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This is taken from www.airforcesmonthly.com

Iran's Stealthy Advanced Attack Aircraft
ALTHOUGH IRAN was known to be involved in the design of an advanced trainer and attack aircraft, little information had been available about the project until the show. Known as Shafagh (Farsi for light before the dawn?). The aircraft is being funded by Iran´s Ministry of Defence and has been designed by the Aviation University Complex (AUC), part of the Malek Ashtar University of Technology, one of Iran?s biggest design bureaux. The Shafagh is a sub-sonic aircraft, made of radar-absorbing materials with an empty weight of 11,000lb (5,00kg). It has a large leading edge root extension (LERX) and a root aft of the wing which it gives an unusual circular sub-section. The Shafagh boasts seven hardpoints ? three under each wing and one on the fuselage centreline station. The five-year project, working to the specifications of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, began three years ago and is currently in the initial design stage. Aerodynamic testing with a 1/7 scale model in the AUC?s wind tunnel has already been completed. Several photos at the stand showed that a full-scale mock up has been built, revealing a rather spacious cockpit. One source told AFM that installation of a Kilmov RD33 engine is currently being considered, which would dispel any misgivings about using a US engine because of sanctions. Russian industry is alleged to be involved on the project, although no one would comment on this. Roll-out of the first prototype is scheduled for 2008. According to personal at AUC, it has the responsibility of designing and developing air vehicles for the Iranian Armed Forces based on their orders, conducting aerodynamic testing; structural and system testing, and the flight tests and eventual manufacture of the prototypes.

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 Post subject: Re: Iran Discussion
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Iran F-16(160 F-16's planned to buy aborted 1979 because the revolution.The ready builts F-16 was given to israel)
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2003 16:09 pm 
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I love the Imperial Iranian Air Force..... :mrgreen:

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the F-15 can do M2.7 but VERY bad things start to happen above 2.5, overheating and such. They're incorporating speed warnings into the software for F-22 to keep the pilots from unintentionally going much over M2.2. The Raptor has PLENTY of power to go well above that, but apparently some buffeting sets in and I'm sure the special coatings and such become MUCH less special and start to badly degrade and go bye-bye at those speeds.

BTW circular wings have some VERY interesting capabilities when it comes to high alpha conditions, but they are also high drag and I suspect this "F-22 killer" ( Outlaw, I got nothin against you or how you feel about the Iranian AF, but calling anything an "F-22 killer" really makes you look bad, sorry. You're probly just repeating what the press release said, so I'll cut you some slack on that.) wont see production unless they have nothing better to spend thier money on.

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<S> Kaptor! Yeah youre right whit the money thing....but like i have wrote the first rollout beginns in 2008 maybe things gonna change.And About the "F-22 killer" i know you American's adoring youre F-22,but take it not to serious where is youre humor? There are lot of "F-22 killer" to com like the Su-37,the Rafale,the Mig-1-42 and the Shafagh lol all "F-22 Killer" would be wery boring for the F-22 pilot's whitout real threats no? :mrgreen:
by the way i like youre lib(kap2.2) wery much do you gonna ever release a kap 3.0 lib or something in that way? would be wery great!

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thanks Outlaw, yeah KAP 3 is just around the corner if testing goes well around the end of June.

BTW things WILL be boring for F/A-22 pilots because it will be FAR superior (not just a little) to anything even on the drawing boards, "like clubbing baby seals" is what the pilots are calling tests against the best planes out there!!! BTW the S-37 now has(or is about to get) normal swept wings, it had the same trouble as we did with X-29, drag and wing fatigue. The MiG-1.42 would have had a much better chance against the F/A-22.

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 Post subject: Re: Iran Discussion
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2003 09:05 am 
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how come iran as all this american equipment,


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Before the Islamic Revolution 1979 Iran was one of the closest Allied of the U.S.A after Israel and Saudi-Arabia.

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BTW the S-37 now has(or is about to get) normal swept wings, it had the same trouble as we did with X-29, drag and wing fatigue.


I believe this is the plan for the PAK-FA Russian 5th generation fighter if it ever gets built. India was looking into joining the effort, to possibly fulfill its "Medium Combat Aircraft" requirement. That's the only hope as far as funding goes.

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Outlaw wrote:
Before the Islamic Revolution 1979 Iran was one of the closest Allied of the U.S.A after Israel and Saudi-Arabia.


rgrt, a lot of things changed when the radicals took power.

For one thing- before they seized power Iran was one of the top tourist attractions in the World.........then visits severly dropped off........

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 Post subject: Re: Iran Discussion
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Kewell wrote:
how come Iran has all this american equipment,


You should Read something about Iran-Contra or Iran Gate... The Military stuff kept coming to Teeran even with the Aiatola Khomeine ruling the country....
He forced an US help by helding american diplomats as prisioners...

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Yeah we did make concessions so we could get those people back and help fight the Communist sandinistas of Nicauragua.

But the F-14s and stuff we gave them before the Islamic revolution began in Iran, at the time they were one of our closest allies........

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