Zephyr Net

Big China i time the Size of America, and some estimates say they could muster up to 120 million!!!!!!!!!!!! people if need be in time of war. Compared to what 3 million currently serving with US Armed Forces.

Now the trainding of these people is questionble and no doubt will be pour but in a ground battle even half the numbers will needed.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

It would be the ladder half of the Korean War all over again. America was much more advanced in weapons and technology but higher numbers won out.

You people... you understand so very little about how militaries function! Sometimes I read this forum just get a good laugh!

Military power is all about projection capabilites and these are strictly limited by logistics..

How would China feed, arm and support 120 million man army? How would they deliver supplies to them? Heavy weapons? Food, water, shelter? Do you have any idea of the amount of tonnage necessary to support the US armed forces compared to what it would take for 120 million?


What good would 120 million ground pounders be? They would be a excellent target for theater nuclear weapons though...

You people! Go get some education in the military arts before you attempt to discuss military power! Its just to funny!

Well its just a number, hell just like almost all counties in the world with the exception of US, china has no means to transport its troops. Plus I doubt these troops would have any kind of adiquate training or even equipment, i mean theres doubt China has that many weopons to arm all thouse men. The current army cannot transport its people, it lack ships and planes for the most part. The got some IL-76 but a few, a few An-24/26 and many many An-2 that can transpot only 10-12 fully armed solders at a time.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

China is used to having very little organization in its military. These are people who are used to roughing it. As for nuclear weapons being used you know that would be the end of it. No side can even start to fling nukes because it would start total chaos.

China is not a nuclear threat to the US. Their offensive power is to low and their limited number of delivery systems could easily be quashed...

However it would be utterly impossible for them to feed or support in any way, a 120 million man army!

There is no quesion about that, 120 million man army would be impossible to feed and arm, but its a impresive number, meaning they have a huge pool of people to draw reserves from, if need be.

I agree with CAG they are not a nuclear treat, they got a few ICBM's the older models are in a questionble state as their guidence is not the best and one boomer it not efficent to pose a mayor treat.

I have read that their boomer has been acident prone and has a unadiquate service record, any feed back on that?

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

120 million men or not- we still got the B-2. And I'm positive that our F-15s and 16s could down pretty much every aerial threat they could encounter that China could throw up.

And our F/A-18s are perhaps the best fleet defense aircraft in the world today, excluding the F-14. But do they still use it in an a2a role?

Not to mention our cruise missile capability launched from B-52s as well ships. And our harpoons can sink just about anything they can sail.

They may have 120 milllion men, but they don't have the technology to support them, Muchless support them against the U.S.

The Chinese don't have much that can counter our technological superiorty (which is vastly superior than what it was in 1953).

The only thing I see as a real threat are their Su-27s. Their engine on the J-8 is too poor to go head to head with anything we have.

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Big war isn't probably gunna happen, but still here are some facts about china:

Largest population 1.2 billion
Large resrve pool
Lasters ground force in the world
3rd largest Air Force of 4,500 aircraft
Nulcear Arsenal of:
-DF-41 = under development, range >12,000km
-DF-31 = deplyment has begun, range 8,000km
-DF-5/5A = 25 have been deplyed to 2nd artilary in 1981, 12,000km(5), >13,000km(5A)
- DF-4 = few dozen are in service sence 1970's, range 7,000km (latest varient)
-DF-21 = in servie with about 30 or so example, landbased JL-1
-Xia Type 092 - only Boomer in Chinese fleet with 12 JL-1 SLBM
-Type 094 = to enter production between 2003-5 carry 16 JL-2 (DF-31) SLBM
- number of aircraft carried weopons
-DF-11&15 battle field missiles are inservie
-there a questions about the DF-1,2,3, prob out of service, except for possibly the DF-3A

BAD:
Small navy, relativly weak
not enuff equipment to transport troops
no enuff landing craft to transport a large army with 16,000 tanks and armored viecles.
most equipment derived from 60's russia techology that came form the late 50's early 60's Soviet-Sino agreement.
out dated submarine fleet with Romea and Ming Class subs as back bone
only 7 of the ships considered large modern naval vessels modern.

Side Note:
Ok there is also a Type 031 Golf Class electric boomer said to be in servie with the Northen Sea Fleet, with 12 JL-1. This sub was used as the test bed for chinese boomer development, and is said to be in service, but some say it no longer.
Does anyone have any information on this sub.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Don't know about the engines but I've never seen these aircraft in service carry anything more than two types of IR short range missiles, except the usual airshow publicity shots.

China's military is hampered by a lack of transportation ability, hence limited offensive capability. They cannot invade Taiwan because they can't get enough troops across the strait.

Zephyr

The Chinese don't want to destroy Tiwain, they want to own it.
They're a much more patient and methotical people, they're in no hurry.

And it is kinda about the money, theres two much of it going both ways now to get enough support. It would take an coupe or something with the Chinese Military takeing over.

Not profitable ....

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"cool beanz"
D. "FETCH" Jordan

I still frimly beleive as the mainland clamps down more on its population, that sooner or later the entire country will dissolve jsut as the Soviet Union will and Taiwan and Hong Kong are the key and that is why the Communists fear them so much... The moment any of them declare independance, will be the beginnign of the complete breakup of the entire country...

That is why the mainland wants to invade, money or no money... Ther future totalarian form of govt depends on it...

I thought Taiwan already declared its independence?

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CAG I agree that all communist governments will and hav fallen. But China is no longer communist they one party system. They may keep the "communist" persona but seem far from it, in principle. I mean they have free economic zones or mini "capitalistic islands" around a few of their cities. Hong Kong as a example.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Yeah if anything over the last decade they have gotten more open, not clamping down more. They recently studied Germany's "social democratic" system and its thought that once the "old guard" dies off the reformers are aiming for something like that down the road. Warfare doesn't occur when lots of trade is going on, $ is what it all boils down to in the end. Just look at what France did with Germany after WW2. They got tired of being overrun so they totally integrated economically with Germany so it would hurt Germany to invade. China is economically integrating with Taiwan, Japan, S. Korea, rest of Asia, EU, USA to such an extent that any war would simply be terrible for most business.

Zephyr