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Gripen has so much US stuff it wouldn't be good for India if they're trying to avoid sanctions posibilities. GE engine license built by Volvo, AMRAAM, Sidewinder, ASRAAM (US subcontractors), and IIRC the radar is license built, so all would need US approval. The sanctions against India and Pakistan have been dropped I think, however. Eurofighter and the Rafale would avoid US sanctions, except for Eurofighter weapons, but they're both expensive. IIRC India wants to buy alot of Mirage 2000s for the strike role, so Rafale might be next farther in the future.

Zephyr

I dont know Zeph I think the sanctions are still on, but if they are no longer in effect. These is still a posability that if the weopons were purchased and then sanctions were once again implimented the aircraft would be useless and airforce would begin to look like what happened to Iran. It is all politics.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Oh that is right, the US embargoed selling weapons to both Pakistana nd India due to violations of the non proliferation treaties, which both governments signed and then violated...

Well that imbargo has made the LCA developmnt harder and would limit possible figters to French and Russian in desgn.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

CAG I'm fully aware of the history of the embargoes but I believe they have been lifted. Hence the rampant rumors now that both India and Pakistan are soliciting for F-16s. Pakistan apparently is trying to get F-16s from Belgian storage now.

Zephyr

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Hi CAG,

Which treaty?
The Nuclear Non proliferation treaty? Well then a big NO. India was/is never a signatory to that treaty. Sanctions were imposed bcoz of the Nuclear tests on 1998.
Lifted subsequently in 2002ish, albiet quietly.

Gripen is not possible, because of the reasons mentioned by Zeph.
But, the devpt of the LCA radar was said to be with early, (now long discontinued) assistance of the PS05 team.

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Hi CAG,

Thansk for the shape.
I tried it and it looks super...!

Thanks again.

Regarding www.vnfawing.com and the article, gimme till the next week to get you an answer ok?

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Hi,

3 posts in row..!

CAG,

RE the F16s in storage, well get this, the chances of the IAF operating a combat aircraft like the F 16 from storage/reserve/new build in next to none.
Reason: You also sell the same F 16 to our neighbour, we dont trust you that much, to buy major weapons systems from you.
Your administration drops sanctions on our head faster that you can say 'thingamajig' . Its not hate or anything else, but distrust.
We've been denied the F104 in the past (that is why we went for the MiG 21 in the first place).
If you notice, the reason we poerate Sov eqpt was the ease and the lesser no of strings attached with them.
When denied better ships from the UK, we went to the Osa I.
Went for the MiG 21 and the SA 2 Volga when denied weapons systems from the US(F104) and France(Mirage III, damn expensive).
And the most important reason, in 1971, during the Bangladesh war, your seventh fleet was sent to the IOR, to presumably defend the Paks. The situatiom never got to that, as the Osas had trashed Pak shipping and merchant shipping in the Arabian sea.

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thingamajig...

Interesting! I had thought that the embargo was still in effect, especially for Pakistan... as the USAF just accepted and is planning on accepting the Pak's F-16s that were already paid for but never delivered, into service for use as chase planes to replace some older worn out F-16As.. (Pak As and Bs, mostly Bs....) so if the embargo is lifted wouldnt we be required to deliver those birds?


I still think it is insane to spend a single dime on a Fishbed...


I am glad you like the grey SU-35 shape! I hope you enjoy it!

CAG out...

Yep USAF is inducting the originally Pakistan-bound F-16s, and Bush refused to give Pakistan new or used ones just recently, giving an aid package and maybe some small misc. military stuff. I think the reason is a fear of an Iran redux, afterall Musharraf (sp) has a tenuous hold on his country with so many conflicting internal interests.

Jane's reported recently that Pakistan may recognize Israel as sovreign, the first predominantly Muslim nation to do so (or has Turkey or Malaysia?), for fear of a stronger Israel-India alliance and for fear that Israel and India backers in the US align. The article claims that the Pakistan military is all for the recognization (they are pro-US/Western), but of course such a move would rile up the clerics. Jane's has put out some bizarre stuff lately and I've seen more critizism than usual of them lately, but an interesting story if true.

India is also recieving US equipment, namely some artillery detecting radars lately.

Zephyr

Gosh, you actually spelt that name correctly, better than Bush himself

Turkey has recognised Israel as a nation, but although the majority of the Turkish people are Muslim, the nation itself is strictly not a Muslim nation.

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Hi CAG,

Well, just read a report in a net news portal that the US has just returned all the remaining money paid for the F 16s by the Paks.
Some of the money was returned in the form of soyabean earlier..

Anyways, the PAF is looking to acquire Belgian/Dutch F 16s now (F 16 AMs anyone??)..it seems more likely to succeed.

And the IAF and PAF are reported to be in a race to get the Qatari Mirage 200-5s. Dont know why they are planning to sell them anyways??
Very very nice birds..

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Hi,
Link for the US returning the F 16 money.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/aug/23pak.htm?zcc=in

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Manoj are you sure the Belguim or the Dutch F-16 AM will be sold. Because arent thouse the aircraft that have recived midlife updates?

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

That's dumb.........your country didn't trust the U.S. enough to buy F-16s, yet you trusted the Soviet Union enough to buy the MiG-21.......oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense..........

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