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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 01:24 am 
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Su-32FN was just an airshow-concept type thing. They were maybe hoping the naval angle would sell better but I guess not.

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 02:36 am 
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Is the Kuznetsov even in service or is it still in U-Haul because as far as I know the only aircraft that they ever really put on it was the Su-33 because the MiG-29K was cancelled, the Yak-141 was canelled, and IIRC the Su-25 carrier borne (forgot des) was only a concept.

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 07:42 am 
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Last I checked it was duo participate in naval exsercises in 2003, and may have done so. (although that maybe wrong as I have read it on a smaller internet site, and its creability is in question)
Here is what they say the aircraft carries:
20 Su-27K Flanker D
4 Su-25 UTG Frogfoot ?????
15 Ka-27 Helix
3 Ka-29 Helix AEW

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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The Su-25UTG Frogfoot was used on the Kuznetsov when it deployed. It's a two seat trainer with an arrestor hook. I don't know if it can carry weapons. Also I'm not sure if it can launch off the skijump deck without afterburners, maybe they use the entire deck to run up to speed?

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2003 13:59 pm 
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Coolness. Yeah nobody really knows the fate of the Kuznetsov online...

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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The SU-25UTG can indeed use the skijump, but the Kuznetsov must be at flank speed... and into the wind, to generate as much lift as posssible for the frogfoot...


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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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I know Kuzy's sister ship has already been cut for scrap, so much for spare parts LOL

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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I believe it has ended up with the Chinese....


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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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the steel maybee the ship no, the hull has already been cut, I found a web page while searching for the Yak-44, apparently the Chinese deal fell through or something and the hull was re-cycled. I'll try and find it , I think I saved the text from that page.

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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That would actually be GOOD NEWS for a change! I am continuously worried about what the Chinese have been able to get ahold of in relation to carriers...


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found it, and it was the "other sister ship" #3 not #2

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The 67500 tonne _Admiral Kuznetsov_, the only conventional aircraft carrier ever operated by the Soviet Navy, remains in service with the Russian Navy's Northern Fleet. Its sister ship, _Varyag_, remains at the Nikolayev shipyard, not quite complete. Its fate was decided in June 1994, when the Ukrainian government ordered it to be scrapped, after Russia's decision not to buy the vessel, and no success in attempts to sell it to other countries such as China and India.

The 75000 tonne, nuclear powered _Ulyanovsk_ was never completed; the hull has been scrapped.

The _Kuznetsov_, although nominally in active service, has so far been used primarily for testing aircraft and operating procedures [RAP comment: rumoured to become fully operational by August 1995], the Russian Navy having very little experience with fixed-wing carrier operations. Its primary aircraft type is the Sukhoi Su-33 single-seat multirole fighter (production version of the Su-27K prototypes), which is currently in low-rate production. The Mikoyan MiG-29K was tested aboard _Kuznetsov_ alongside the Su-27K, but has not been selected for production. A naval training version of the Sukhoi Su-25, the Su-25UTG, is also in production (a handful of another version, the Su-25UBP, were also built). The _Kuznetsov_ also carries a number of Kamov Ka-27/28/29/32 helicopters, in various subtypes.

Two AEW aircraft were developed but cancelled. The first was an AEW version of the Antonov An-72 twin-turbofan STOL transport, codenamed "Madcap" by NATO; this interesting design (the radar disc was mounted atop a forward-swept, V-shaped set of tail fins) was cancelled in favour of Yakovlev's Yak-44, a twin turboprop apparently very similar to the Grumman E-2 Hawkeye. The official reason given was that a turboprop was more efficient for the AEW role than a jet (although your FAQ compiler suspects that the fact that Yakovlev is a Russian company while Antonov is Ukrainian probably had something to do with it too). The Yak-44 has also in turn been cancelled (although a revival is being considered), and recent reports suggest that an AEW version of the Kamov Ka-32 helicopter is under development


as you can see this page is a few years old

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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??? The Varyag is in China already...

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_aircraft_carrier_Varyag

The 3rd carrier was just some steal laid down and has been scrapped.

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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so Varyag HAS ben scrapped, it just doesnt know it yet ROFL. Cant wait to book a room on that "casino"/death trap!! The rats down in steerage have probly been weightlifting the whole time and are just WAITING to see dry land out a porthole.lol

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 Post subject: Re: Su-34 Flanker
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Well... So much for hoping the dang Chinese wouldnt get ahold of it!


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