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Yeah you got to watch yourself blowing your opponent into blood mist at close range!

Isnt that a pretty site?

Not realy but it was a time of the fighter pilot.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Nah, every combat is that time... doesnt matter what the weapons are or how they are imployed... When you dead, your dead...

Doesnt matter if a missile, rocket, cannon shell, machinegun bullet, or a handgun bullet killed you from WWI to Iraqi Freedom... You will still be just as dead!

The F-15 has the F-16 by over 70 kills. But that's cause the F-15 has always been the one in the heat of the action.

A lot of people have F-15s as well BT- Saudi Arabia, Japan, Israel, etc.

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Actualy accordin to the FAS.ORG it is only thouse three counties. While the F-16 has some 20 opertors if not more.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

It don't matter- they'll never get the F-16 to pass the F-15 in confirmed kills. I don't care if every nation on Earth has it.

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Never say never. Look how many MiG-21s are still around. In 20 years the F-16 may be like that- who knows what 3rd world nations will have it. If there's a relatively big war with F-16s used by both sides it could happen.

Zephyr

I personal am amzed that the F-16 is in servie with the USAF. I mean they wee in some manner oposed to the idea of a single engine light multirole fighter. It would have eazily went the way of the F-104 and F-5. Great export but not perfered by its own country.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Yeah just those three countries with the addition of the US. South Korea may soon operate the F-15K.

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If that were to happen the F-16 would lose it's perfect record

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F-16 vs YF-17, great story. 2 almost equally matched jets competeing for the title of newest American fighter jet. AF picks the F-16, Navy doesn't agree, Navy holds its own tests, upgraded F-17 made and dubbed the F/A-18, and the rest as they say is history.

I wonder what would have happened had the AF picked the F-17 instead of the 16........

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Well what amazes me is that so many of what the USAF fast fighters and future are and were twin engined. And a single engined jet did fly too well with many planners.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Navy likes two engine jets for safety reasons so they probably would have picked the F-17, but probably kept their development as far from the AF's as possible. The F-111 was probably still fresh in the mind at the time. But with the JSF it seems as if the memory is fading.

Zephyr

Not true Zephyr.... The USN has a longer history of single engined jets vs multi engined jets...

The F9F Panthers & Cougars, FJ-1, FJ-2 ,FJ-3, FJ-4 Furies, F-8 Crusaders, F11F Tiger, A-4 Skyhawks, A-7 Corsair IIs, AV8A Harrier and B Harrier II, and now the JSF F-35 B and C...

Plus a=nearly all pre WWII and WWII combait aircraft operating from carriers were single piston engined...

But the 2 best Navy fighters ever (IMO) are both twin engine (F-14, and F/A-18).

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