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Believe it or not ALL USAF aircraft will be retired, every single one of them!

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F-117s wont be gone in just two years unless the F-22s are ready by then ( not the F-35s ). And how did they "bilk" us on a single mission aircraft that has been used for nearly a quarter of a century?( they were all built back in the early 80's ). F-117s have been in service nearly as long or longer than virtually any striker that came before them including the F-111, F-4s and A-6 family and unlike previous aircraft have been virtually unstoppable. Newer radars and SAMs are putting the 117s at risk and if jumped by fighters they would be toast, F-22 will fix both of those problems.

U-2s wont be gone until Globalhawk has proven itself ( ok, it already has, with flying colors ) and the B version is available in numbers. GH puts no pilots at risk and has superior mission time.

With cancellation of the stand off jammer version of the B-52, the BUFF only has one real mission left, heavy bombardment of undefended airspace. 37 is plenty to do that mission even without the B-1s and B-2s.

The long term plan is to get rid of nearly all overseas bases since they become politicle extortion points for our so called "friends" to squeeze money out of us. And if you think we are spending money in Iraq to help Iraqis then you havent been paying attention for the last 30 years in that region, OPEC and world oil prices are why we are there as well as hoping to keep nukes out of Arab inventories.

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You are a civilian, there is no way for you to know or not know the true effectiveness of the aircraft in a modern battlespace. There is no evidence that the aircraft is facing a threat it can not evade.


Neither do you, but I know people who do :-)
The DLIR in particular is causing a LO problem with reguards to new radars. More advanced IR systems are becoming more prolific as well, it's effectiveness is questionable and as I said has zero self defence capability. We wernt bilked, we got more than our moneys worth from them.

I dont particularly care what happens in NK/SK it's the last vestige of the "domino principle" and is more of a politicle problem than a strategic one other than NKs possible export of nukes which even China would be upset about. Iran has probobly already sealed it's fate despite it's last minite claims to change it's ways. Iraq/Iran with Nukes puts our economy at risk at the hands of a single knotheads whim on any particular day, one has been dealt with, one is about to be. High oil prices can be dealt with, unpredictability is a much harder situation for buisness to deal with.

I dont even know why I'm responding here today, as an immigrant I'm supposed to be taking the day off :lol:

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ah u lucky kid. There is no labour day in canada.

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what happend to the F/A-117X SEAHAWK plan? guess its scraped then. Don't F-117 fly from Italy too or was that just during Serbia.

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Seahawk was nothing more than a drawing, 117s fly out of wherever they are needed, but are only "based" at Hollowman as far as I know.

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Update: I saw that the budget was modified by a Congressional committee, the U-2 fleet was spared from retirement for the time being, but authorization was given to retire 10 F-117s in 2007.

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House vote slows Air Force bid to retire aging aircraft
By Megan Scully, CongressDaily


Over strong objections from the Bush administration, the House has voted to halt Air Force attempts to retire dozens of aging aircraft -- a move service leaders hoped would save more than $2.6 billion by 2011.

Faced with a government-wide budget crunch, the Air Force had planned to use the money to upgrade other planes and buy new ones. But in passing the fiscal 2007 defense authorization bill last week, House lawmakers thwarted those efforts amid concerns from both parties that the Air Force plan was too risky and might ultimately leave the service with major holes in its fleet.


"The question is how much insurance do you want to retain?" House Armed Services Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., said Thursday. "When you start jettisoning your insurance, [there is] a certain amount of risk."


The average Air Force plane is 23 years old. The service spends 20 percent of its procurement budget on modifying and upgrading the aircraft -- the highest percentage in the service's 59-year history, according to an Air Force document circulated on Capitol Hill.


"The Air Force's ability to transform to a more capable, lethal, sustainable force hinges on the ability of its leadership to manage its fleet in a safe and fiscally responsible way," the document states.


Hunter, however, stressed that the Air Force was potentially paying for its future plans at the expense of its existing force. While the military might be comfortable with a certain level of risk, "we're not," he said.


Specifically, the House prohibited the Air Force from retiring any of its venerable B-52 bombers before a replacement is available. The Pentagon earlier this year revealed its intent to reduce the fleet from 94 B-52 H-model planes to 56 -- a move that would have saved $680 million through 2011, a congressional aide said.


Meanwhile, the Air Force wanted to accelerate the retirement of 52 F-117 Nighthawk fighter jets, which would have saved $1 billion by 2011, the aide said. The House, however, allows the Air Force to retire 10 Nighthawks in fiscal 2007 and requires all retired aircraft to be preserved for possible future operations.


The House also wants to delay retirements of any of the 34 U-2 reconnaissance aircraft until the Defense Department certifies to Congress that the manned planes are no longer needed for intelligence-gathering and surveillance missions.


Retiring those planes would save $1 billion over the next four years, the aide said.


House lawmakers also limited the retirement of KC-135E aerial refueling tankers to 29; the Pentagon wanted to sideline 78 of them, but did not provide Congress with details of those savings.


The Air Force has not yet submitted documents to the House Armed Services Committee detailing the ultimate cost of the delayed retirements, the aide said. An Air Force spokeswoman would not comment on the legislation.


Congressional opposition to aircraft retirements, which often result in significant local job losses, is not a new issue, particularly during an election year. As of December 2005, Congress had restricted 347 of the Air Force's proposed aircraft divestitures.


But Rep. Norman Dicks, D-Wash., a member of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, said he fears the House decision this year might have long-term implications on the Air Force's fleet.


"I'm a little nervous that there is such a squeeze for money that if we don't go along with some of the shutdowns, we won't have money for new programs," said Dicks, who represents a district heavily employed by aerospace giant Boeing.


Appropriators, he predicted, would "probably go along" with much of the language in the defense authorization bill. But he left the door open for some differences between the two panels' marks on the aircraft retirement issue.


In the Senate, the Armed Services Committee restricted some aircraft retirements, but its markup of the defense authorization bill did not go as far as the House legislation. For the B-52, for instance, committee members required a Pentagon report before retiring any of the bombers.


The Senate likely will consider the defense authorization bill next month.

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nope, at best I get to scan through Av-Week on my way from the mail box to my room, occasionally seeing something I HAVE to stop and read, but most of the time I just have to pass and do something else with the time.

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