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| Author: | Centurian [ Sun May 11, 2003 17:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | About the Harrier (Cag you might know this) |
I need a full weapons list of what can be loaded and where on the following aircraft: Harrier Gr.Mk 7 AV-8B+ Harrier II AV-8B Harrier II If anyone knows I need specifics (like what can be loaded on what pylon and how much of it)... |
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| Author: | Centurian [ Mon May 12, 2003 21:09 pm ] |
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bump...sorry but this is really important |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue May 13, 2003 16:28 pm ] |
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Geeze, Cent I dont know! It really depends on what mark the aircraft is and at what time during its life since all these birds have undergone quite extensive refits that always increased their warfighting loadouts... |
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| Author: | Centurian [ Tue May 13, 2003 18:06 pm ] |
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As of right now 2003. |
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| Author: | da big man! [ Tue May 13, 2003 22:49 pm ] |
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http://www.google.com nice search engine
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Wed May 14, 2003 00:11 am ] |
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yeah Cent why didnt you think of using Google?  Actually, I totaly forgot but McDonnell Douglas sent me a chart of the AV-8B showing the pylons and weapons for those hardpoints , but it's pretty old now(yes it was back when they were still McD) and I'm sure your wanting something newer. |
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| Author: | Centurian [ Wed May 14, 2003 01:44 am ] |
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A. Couldn't find anything on the net. B. Forgot about ACIG.org. C. Kapt man send that to me (ba95@iona.edu) |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Wed May 14, 2003 04:39 am ] |
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ok I'll scan it and send |
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| Author: | Centurian [ Wed May 14, 2003 04:49 am ] |
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Cool...sounds good to me. thanks |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Wed May 14, 2003 16:44 pm ] |
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oooopppppsssss LOL I posted it in the other Harriers thread 
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| Author: | Centurian [ Fri May 16, 2003 05:13 am ] |
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Here we go...info is from ACIG: Well I can try to fill in some of the holes, but Harrier weapons loads have always been somewhat confusing to me, especially in terms of where various types of AAM's go, specifically the AIM-9/7/120 missiles on the AV-8B+. (I'd like someone to verify if the AV-8B+ is indeed even AIM-7 capable. I would think it would be, but I don't know. Anyway, here it goes: AV-8B+ Maximum Warload: 13,200-lbs. on 7 stations. (NOTE: Despite what you may have heard of the AV-8B+ getting the two pylons that the GR.7 got, they aren't fitted.) (4) 450-US gallon fuel tanks (inboard and intermediate wing stations) (1) AN/ALQ-167 ECM pod (centerline) (6) AIM-9 Sidewinder (all six wing pylons) (4) AIM-7 Sparrow (inboard and intermediate) (6) AIM-120 AMRAAM (all six wing pylons) (6) AGM-65 Maverick (all six wing pylons) (16) Mk-82 (two on centerline, three each on inboard and intermediate wing pylons, one each on outboard pair of wing pylons) (16) Mk-20 Rockeye CBU's (same as Mk-82) (9) Mk-83 (one on centerline, two each on inboard and intermediate wing pylons) (4) Mk-84 (one each on inboard and intermediate wing pylons) (16) BLU-107 Durandal (same as Mk-82, Mk-20) (14) rocket pods (three each on inboard and mid-wing pylons, and one each on outboard pair of wing pylons - types carried include both 127-mm ZUNI and 70-mm HYDRA) (12) GBU-12 500-lb. LGB's (two each on centerline, inboard and mid-wing pylons, plus one more on each outboard wing pylon) (5) GBU-16 (one each on centerline, inboard, and mid-wing pylons) (4) GBU-10/24 (one each on inboard, and mid-wing pylons) NOTES: I have heard that the SUU-23/A series of 20-mm gun pods can be carried so I'd assume these would be carried either on the inboard wing pylons or mid-wing pylons....even if the AV-8B is cleared for them I doubt they are used very much. I also heard that the Israeli Litening targeting pod is being ordered by some Plus users so I'd assume this would go on the centerline. I've also heard that the AGM-84 Harpoon can be carried although I can't confirm this. This missile would be carried on the inboard and mid-wing pylons. GPS weapons such as JDAM and JSOW are also likely to equip USMC AV-8B's very soon so as far as JDAM goes they would be carried in the same positions that their unguided Mk-82, Mk-83, and Mk-84 counterparts would be. JSOW would be the same place as the AGM-84 probably. Keep in mind this list isn't perfect, and a lot of I gained just be looking at photos and using what I know about the loading capabilities of each pylon. Harrier GR.9A (NOTE: GR.7's will soon be updated to GR.9 or GR.9A standards so if you want 2005 capabilities you better focus on GR.9.) Maximum warload: Up to 13,200-lb. on nine hardpoints. (NOTE: The Harrier GR.9 actually has eleven total hardpoints, but the two side fuselage hardpoints are usually occupied by Aden 25-mm cannon pods and 100 rounds per gun. If these pods aren't fitted, strakes are fitted to maintain the aerodynamics provided by the pods. As far as I know no other stores can be carried there. So you are left with one centerline hardpoint and four hardpoints under each wing. (4) 450-gallon fuel tanks (same as AV-8B) (1) ECM pod (I'm assuming though I don't know the type.- same place as AV-8B) (8) AIM-9 Sidewinder (same as AV-8B plus on two additional hardpoints just forward of wing outrigger landing gear) (8) AIM-132 ASRAAM (same as AIM-9) (16) Mk-82 or Mk-20 Rockeye CBU's (same as AV-8B) (11) BL.755 (one on centerline and outboard pair of hardpoints, plus two each on inboard and mid-wing hardpoints) (11) Mk-83 (same as AV-8B) (4) Mk-84 (same as AV-8B) (16) BLU-107 Durandal (same as AV-8B) (14) rocket pods (same as AV-8B plus addition of 68-mm SNEB rocket pods NOTES: All LGB's are the same as on AV-8B. New weapons include up to 12 Brimstone anti-tank missiles carried in triplets on inboard and mid-wing pylons. Also, the Storm Shadow stand-off missile may be carried on inboard and mid-wing pylons. British 1,000-lb. bombs may be carried in lieu of Mk-83.....in fact these weapons are probably used in stead of Mk-83. NOTES: I'm certainly no expect, but this is roughly what I've been able to gather. If anyone can provide any help, I'd appreciate it. I hope this gets you off to a good start though. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------The Outrigger Stations were supposed to be fitted from the time of the 'Night Attack' upgrade but never were on USMC birds. I don't know if they have been since but I doubt it because the 406 engine lacks the push and the 408 has some serious throttle limitations. At least one of the ADEN pods on the Brit Harrier ARE in fact ECM containers as part of the Zeus ECM system, with the TIALD mounted opposed on it's own dedicated stub pylon. The Centerline position being typically reserved for the old wetfilm or new Alpha (digital backplane) recce pods. The Brits don't use our Mk.20, preferring instead the heftier BL.755 (with similar high altitude tumble and bussing problems relevant to it's original tandem-Jaguar design intention). Or more recently the CBU-87 (I have yet to see them employ the WCMD). Brimstone is lagged way back so they have also picked up the AGM-65G. Brit unitary bombs center on the Mk.13/.18 series 'racing green' 1,000lb systems with their specially designed forged casings and explosive filler shaping, again, they don't like our cast pigiron crap as their's tend to have a slightly better boom + frag. Though the Aero-1 shape is superior for altitude release behavior (and cheaper), the only U.S. system they use are the BLU-116 with the GBU-24(I), to my knowledge. The 68mm was basically a training-only round last I heard, the British having gone 'full Canadian' with the LAU-500x series pods (more rounds, flat front) so that they could use the CRV-7 motor which pushes a bigger warhead out significantly faster than the SNEB. They are also (BAe) now the chief developers behind what used to be called 'APKWS' or the Advanced Precision Kill Weapons System and is now called 'LCPK' or Low Cost Precision Kill (duhhhh, I think). Which plug'n'plays a canard steering steering mechanism into the front end of the rocket ahead of the warhead. The Brits never liked the French toy bombs to my knowledge, instead preferring to do a 'mini JP-233' which basically split the area denial and runway spiker munitions into separate pods. Never went very far as the U.S. F-111/F-16 tagalong got dropped in favor of Durandal. I'm pretty sure the AIM-132 requires the CRL launcher to be compatible with the Harrier and not all squadrons had them, last I heard. If they are following the Jaguar ECP approach, they also have an Alpha or Topsight HMS to cue both the Missiles and _particularly_ the targeting pod. It having been found that the ability to head slew to a gross bearing alignment VASTLY improves the speed by which the pilot can 'fine tune' a heads down target lock while flying lolo and keeping an eye out for threats. The only thing better being preprogrammed digital map inserts. U.S. AAQ-28 is loaded not on the centerline on one of the inboard wing pylons (starboard I think). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Only export versions of the Harrier II+ are actually integrated with the AGM-84 Harpoon. This is because the USMC does not intend using the H2+ in the anti-shipping role. The integration project was delayed for some time because the costs were to be equally shared between the three countries. However the USMC kept dragging their feet on the issue. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------the Marine Corps started recieving the LITENING II pod a couple years ago and approx half the Marine Corps Harrier squadrons using it and was used extensively in Afghan & Gulf War II ... JDAM is currently being tested with the Harrier at China Lake ... kind of amusing but i recently heard (backed up with data found at this website) that the Harrier has a 27-0 air to air combat record ... with that record, doesn't that place the Harrier second, behind the F-15, with the best kill-loss ratio in A-A combat? semper fi --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enjoy gents. |
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