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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 19:38 pm 
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Does anyone know anything about the APG-30 radar which was used on the F-4E? All i found about this radar is this data sheet which i don't get, it is way too technical for me.
http://www.tpub.com/content/radar/TM-11 ... -10722.htm

this is so far what i have for this radar:
25nm tws range
50 lookdown value
15 all aspect
± 45 degrees FOV heading
± 15 degrees FOV pictch
RWS parameters?
speed above?
speed below?
min dop range?
Chaff/ECM Factor?
Pulse Doppler?

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What do you want to know?
If you can be specific I might be able to help.

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Ali wrote:
this is so far what i have for this radar:
25nm tws range
50 lookdown value
15 all aspect
± 45 degrees FOV heading
± 15 degrees FOV pictch
RWS parameters?
speed above?
speed below?
min dop range?
Chaff/ECM Factor?
Pulse Doppler?


basically i want to build this radar in FATK and i need the information above. can you verify those and perhaps give me the values for the ones with question mark? thanks.

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I haven't found any references to a AN/APG-30 in a Phantom that I didn't think were mistakes.
The Proto had an AN/APQ-50, but production models had the larger AN/APQ-72 ( both from Westinghouse ) which then got replaced with the AN/APQ-120 solid state RADAR ( again Westinghouse ). The 30 might be pure mistake or might reference some sub-system like the gun director RADAR, but I think it's just a mistake.

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ok i made a mistake about the APG-30 radar being housed in the F-4 phantom II. Apparantlly its the APQ-50/72/100/109/120. but i still can't find any info on these radars. if anyone knows anything about these radars let me know please. thanks.

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Ok, in my library of Janes Radar and Electronic Warfare annuals and my Janes Weapon Systems annuals I was able to find that he AN/APQ-72 was issued in the F-4B only, the AN/APQ-100 in the F-4C, the AN/APQ-109 in the F-4D and the AN/APQ-120 in the F-4E, with all previous versions of USAF F-4s upgraded to AN/APQ-120...

All are the same radar, with just more modes for air to air search and air to ground modes for ground attack and a shrinking of the size of the components, that allowed the radar to be housed in the nose of the F-4E along with the 20mm Vulcan Cannon...

All these radars were than replaced by the AWG-10 Pulse Doppler radar...

From that information I found the scramble page...

http://www.scramble.nl/wiki/index.php?t ... _AN/APQ-72

But I can find absolutely no detailed data on any of these radars, not in any of my books, or anywhere on the net, which I find startling...

Why would such an old series of radars be so limited in data? I can find more data on our current series of radars...

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Ane I did find the following data...

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The F-4J was also equipped with the AN/AWG-10 fire control system housed in an enlarged radome. This set used an AN/APG-59 pulse-Doppler radar in place of the earlier APQ-72. This new radar was designed to detect and track low-lying aircraft and to distinguish them from sea/ground returns. The F-4J was fitted with the AN/ASW-25 one-way datalink which made automatic carrier landings possible.

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This page might help you a bit...

http://members.chello.nl/m.waterloo/f4j-panel.html

And you could purchase F-4 manuals on this site...

http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/
http://www.flight-manuals-on-cd.com/F4.html

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i agree CAG, i have no idea why there is so little info on these radar systems. i have books and articles about F-4s and none of them mentions anything about their radar's specification. its so ridiculous. im looking for technical specs on the radars, like the search azimuth limit, track azimuth limit and so on. i have been able to find info on every freaking radar except these.

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diligence has paid some slight dividends...

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AWACS:
APS-138 (E-2): 220 km (fighter), 463 km (bomber)
APS-145 (E-2C): 267 km (small fighter), 400 km (large fighter), 565 km (bomber)
APY-1/2 (E-3 & E-767): 267 km (small fighter), 400 km (large fighter), 565 km (bomber)
Phalcon: 267 km (small fighter), 400 km (large fighter), 565 km (bomber)
Shmel 100 (A-50): 100 km (fighter), 200-300+ km (bomber)
Shmel 2 (A-50U): 230 km (MiG-21), 500 km (bomber)
MESA (Wedgetail): 350 km (fighter), 745 km (bomber)
Erieye (EMB-145 & S 100B): 225 km (small fighter), 340-350 km (large fighter), 450-480 km (bomber), 320 km (ship)


Search Ranges (for fighters unless otherwise noted):
F-15E (AN/APG-70): 300 km (mapping)
F-20 (AN/APG-67): 130 km
JAS.37 Viggen (PS-46/A): 75 km
J-7C/D (JL-7A): 70 km
J-10 (KLJ-3): 100-130 km
J-10 (Zhuk-10PD): 160 km
MiG-21PF (RP-21): 13-20 km
MiG-21SMT (RP-22 Sapfir-21): 30 km
MiG-23S (RP-22 Sapfir-21): 30 km
MiG-23 (Sapfir-23): 70 km
MiG-25 (Sapfir-25): 100 km
MiG-29 (N019 Sapfir-29): 100 km
MiG-31 (SBI-16 Zaslon): 200 km
MiG-29M/MiG-33 (Zhuk-ME): 120 km (aircraft), 250 km (ships), 150 km (ground radar)
Mirage 2000 (RDM or RDI): 100 km
Su-27SK (N001E Zhuk): 240 km (probably large fighter, maybe bomber)
Su-30MK3 (“Panda” Radar): 190 km (aircraft), 300 km (ships)

Tracking Range Against Small fighter:
EFA-2000 (ECR 90): 160-175 km
F-4E (AN/APG-30): 38 km
F-14 (AN/APG-71): 213 km (120+ km for cruise missiles)
F-15A (AN/APG-63): 110-160 km
F-15C (AN/APG-70): 195 km
F-16A/C (AN/APG-66): 50-60 km
F-16C Block 25 (AN/APG-68): 70 km
F-16C Block 50/52 (AN/APG-68(V)7): 80 km
F-16C Block 50/52 (AN/APG-68(V)9/10): 105 km (future upgrade to F-16 fleet, promising 30%+ range increase)
F-16E Block 60 (AN/APG-80): 130 km
F/A-18A (AN/APG-65): 60-65 km
F/A-18C (AN/APG-73): 72 km
F-20 (AN/APG-67): 90 km
F/A-22 (AN/APG-77): 230 km
F-7P Skybolt (Grifo 7): 55+ km
F-7MP Skybolt (Grifo 7): 55+ km
F-8IIM (Zhuk-8B): 70 km (front), 40 km (rear)
J-7: 15-55 km, depending on radar fitted
J-8II (SL-5A): 40 km
J-8B (JL-8A): 60 km
J-8H (KLJ-1): 75 km
J-10 (KLJ-3): 80-90 km
JAS.39 Gripen (PS-05): 90 km
MiG-21PF (RP-21): 7-10 km
MiG-21SMT (RP-22 Sapfir-21): 14-19 km
MiG-23S (RP-22 Sapfir-21): 19 km
MiG-23 (Sapfir-23): 55 km
MiG-25 (Sapfir-25): 47-66 km
MiG-29 (N019 Sapfir-29): 80 km
MiG-31 (SBI-16 Zaslon): 110 km
MiG-29M/MiG-33 (Zhuk-ME): 60-70 km
Mirage F.1 (Cyrano IV): 45 km
Rafale (RBE2): 100 km
Su-27 (N001 Zhuk): 80-100 km (front), 40 km (rear)
Su-30MKK (N001VE Zhuk): 110 km (front), 40 km (rear)
Su-27M/Su-35 (N011 Zhuk-27): 100 km (front), 55 km (rear)
Su-27M/Su-35 (Zhuk-PH): 165 km (front), 60 km (rear)


Tracking Range Against Bombers
EFA-2000 (ECR 90): 370 km
F-4E (AN/APG-30): 80 km
F-14 (AN/APG-71): 370 km
F-15A (AN/APG-63): 240 km
F-15C (AN/APG-70): 410 km
F-16A/C (AN/APG-66): 100-110 km
F-16C Block 25 (AN/APG-68): 130 km
F-16C Block 50/52 (AN/APG-68(V)7): 140 km
F-16C Block 50/52 (AN/APG-68(V)9/10): 185 km (future upgrade to F-16 fleet, promising 30%+ range increase)
F-16E Block 60 (AN/APG-80): 275 km
F/A-18C (AN/APG-73): 150 km
F/A-22 (AN/APG-77): 490 km
JAS.39 Gripen (PS-05): 190 km
MiG-25 (Saphir-25): 100-140 km
MiG-29 (N019 Sapfir-29): 100+ km
MiG-31 (SBI-16 Zaslon): 240 km

Also provided here is a list of estmated frontal RCS of various aircraft. Note that this is highly variable, and RCS is dependant on angle presented and external stores, among other issues. For most of these, I unfortunately do not know if it's for a "clean" or loaded aircraft, and in some cases (such as Rafale & EFA 2000), it's really just a rough estimate from unofficial sources, but these nonetheless provide an excellent starting comparison.

Estimated RCS of various aircraft (frontal view):
A-10: 25m2
B-1B: 10m2
B-52: 100m2
Cruise Missile (ie Harpoon): 0.1m2
EFA 2000: 0.1m2
F-4: 25m2
F-16C: 1.2m2 (w/ reduced RCS)
F/A-18C: 3m2, 1.2m2 w/ reduced RCS
F/A-18E: 0.1m2
F/A-22: 0.0002m2
F-35: 0.0015m2
JAS.39 Gripen: 0.5m2
MiG-21: 5m2
Mirage 2000: 2m2
Rafale: 0.1-0.3m2 (clean)
Su-30: 10-14m2
Tornado: 8m2

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And a bit more on all the radars you were interested in...

http://www.clashofarms.com/files/Smarte ... %20Hpn.pdf

And some other information I uncovered...

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the APG-59 is credited with 1 kw, but that's Pavg, with a 44% duty cycle. Avg.
detection range on a 5m.^2 target is 60nm. I don't know if that's for a
50%, 90% or other % probability of detection.

32 in (810mm) diameter antenna

Heavier and bulkier than APQ-72

Jon Lake ed. McDonnell-Douglas F-4 Phantom: Spirit in the Skies Aerospace Publishing, 1992

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I was an MOS 6657, airborne missile fire control technician on F-4J and F-4S Phantom II's during my six-year tour in the Marine Corps.

In the top photo, the radar antenna (LRU-1, LRU=Line Replaceable Unit)) has no IFF antennas (Identification, Friend or Foe). On the port side of the antenna (or right side as you're looking at it) is a rectangular funnel-shaped object, which is the CW illuminator feedhorn. The main KPA (Klystron Power Amplifier) is 1525 watts, and the CW illuminator KPA is around 900 watts. It was necessary to provide the illuminator KPA for the AIM-7 Sparrow missiles' guidance, as even though the illuminator KPA was rated at a much lower power than the main KPA, the most the main KPA could be on for TX/RX was less than a 50% duty cycle, reducing it's effective power to well below that of the CW KPA. Signal from the CW KPA was also fed via coaxial cable to the rear of the four onboard missile stations, for the Sparrows to get a "lock" on. Early Sparrows had mechanical tuners, which were problematic; one ordinance technican found that you could get them "unstuck" using a large hammer, which action caused the rest of us more cautious and sane types to scatter in all directions.

The APG-59/AWG-10 radar had three basic modes:
1) Short Pulse - a 0.65 uSEC pulse triggered the transmitter to send out the same length pulse. This was the 10 NM mode.

2) Chirp - A 0.65 uSEC pulse was sent through a "delay line" - basically, an inductor which was grounded on one end. This caused the inductor to "ring" as a struck bell, and would cause the transmitter to fire for approximately 65 uSEC. Upon returning, the signal would be fed back across this same delay line, which would compress the pulse back down to about 0.8 uSEC pulsewidth prior to being fed to the receiver (LRU-2A8, bottom starboard side). This meant a slight loss in resolution, but a huge gain in range due to the increased return signal.

3) Pulsed Doppler - the most powerful mode. The transmitter would fire for approximately 40 uS, and then the system would receive for approximately 40 uS. The PRF (Pulse Repetition Frequency) would be varied constantly to avoid a phenomenon known as "target eclipsing" (when the transmitter is on while the return signal comes back.)

Back to the LRU-1 photo at the top: Notice that there is a rectangular panel about 1/3 of the way down the antenna? That is the Beam Spoiler, and was used for PPI/MAP mode (Plan Position Indicator) - it would extend about 1" to "spoil" the radiation pattern to scan the ground. On the scope, the sweep would scan back and fourth 120º (+-60º) and the bottom of the scan would be fixed, the top (furthest away) would look like a Japanese fan, or a section of pie, if you will.

In combat modes, the sweep was vertical, traversing the entire screen.

In the 2nd picture, the eight black T-shaped items on the front of the antenna are IFF antennas. They are white on one end (the top) of the "T" to indicate the polarity of the antenna; as putting some of them on backwards would foul up the signal.

The feedhorn is the long projection from the center of the antenna. At the forward end, there are thin fiberglass covers epoxied over the feedhorn, enabling the waveguide system to be pressurized with dry air to 14 lbs/in2 so that the RF energy wouldn't arc (short out) in the waveguide. The feedhorn directed the transmitted energy back against the dish, and received the signal the same way. When the RIO (Radar Intercept Officer) initiated a lock, the feedhorn support would begin to rotate at 66 RPM, causing slight rotational shifts in the position of the feedhorn; this was known as "nutating the feedhorn." This shifting would cause the radar to "paint a donut" around the target. The radar would detect the difference in signal return around the "donut", and re-orient the antenna so that the signal strength was equal all around.

The antenna was controlled by servos and resolvers, but driven by hydraulic pressure. The Phantom's hydraulic system was pressurized to 3,000 PSI, but the antenna's supply was regulated down to 1,200 PSI.

Of all the radars' modes, PD (Pulse Doppler) was the mode that was the hardest to get used to, and somewhat more difficult to fix.

In PD mode, targets were not displayed in range, but in terms of closing velocity, or Vc! Targets near the top of the scope were closing very rapidly, while targets near the bottom were going away. The range was about 1,600 knots closing to about 500 opening. In order to determine the range, the pilot or RIO would have to lock on to the target, and then a range gate would appear as a blip to show range.

The AWG-10A was a big improvement; LRU's 15,16,and 17 (analog computers) in the turtleback (panel 19 behind the RIO) were changed, the new LRU's 15 and 16 were digital, LRU-17 deleted. The analog
version described the missile's envelope as a truncated cone, which was grossly inadequate. The AWG-10A's missile envelope was more like a mushroom, if you will - and much more accurately described the lethal zone of the missiles.

Back to the 2nd picture: the "6" equipment rack is down. LRU-6A2 is on the bottom, LRU-6A1 on top. The 6A1 dealt mostly with antenna control, the 6A2 with the CW illuminator.

To the left (forward) is the "5" equipment rack, and just behind the X-frame is the "4" equipment rack.
On the top of the "4" rack is LRU 4A1, down from there is LRU-4A2, and on the bottom is the LRU-4A3
Inside the LRU-4A2 are 290 crystal ovens, each a different frequency, which resonated to signal returns in the PD mode, thus giving the Vc (velocity closing) range (roughly -500kts to 1500kts)

I realize now that I misspoke in my prior post - it was the 4A1A7 board, not the 4A3A7, that needed to be changed for frequency selection. The 4A3A7 board had it's own problems - there was a block of Zener diodes, which if blown, would cause an effect known as "picket fencing" on the display; the PRF would change every 60 ms causing the display to have vertical streaks on it.

VTAS - (Visual Target Acquisition System) In later versions, VTAS was implemented. The pilot wore a special helmet with four IR transmitters on it, and there were IR receivers mounted around the pilot's cockpit. The pilot's helmet had a reticle; he would extend it over his right eye, and look at the target while pressing half-action on the acquisition switch on his stick. The radar would sweep out in range, and acquire the target. As far as I can remember, this only worked in 10-mile range, or "short pulse". But, like I said - it's been a long time since I've worked on them.

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You're welcome - although, in retrospect, I incorrectly corrected my first post! (are you confused yet, because I am ) The numbering system for the WRA's/LRU's (same thing) was just a little bit confusing, because on the port side of the radar, the numbers increased from forward to aft, (eg: antenna=LRU 1, then LRU 4 was the entire pallet (but never removed as an entire unit), LRU 5 (never entirely removed as such) and LRU 6. Then, on the 4 pallet, 4A1 was the topmost 3rd, 4A2 was the center unit, and the 4A3 was on the bottom. You can see on the 4A1 and 4A3 units what looks like ribs, those are actually removeable "boards", sort of the shape of a watermelon slice. They're held in place by one (slotted and hex-head) captured screws, one on top and one at the bottom.

On the starboard side, the LRU 2A1 was the transmitter control box, on the top of the package. It was long and relatively thin, shaped rather like a piece of wall to floor molding, only thicker (and aluminum) Below that was "the hat" - a large aluminum cover that was held on with what seemed like a zillion #8 Phillips-head screws. This "hat" was the cover for the pressurized (air, to 14 lbs/in2) transmitter power supply compartment.
There were two separate power supplies, one for the CW illuminator KPA, and one for the main KPA. I believe the LRU 2A2 CW supply put out 22,000 volts, and the main 2A3 supply put out 25,000 volts - at high power. Those supplies were about the size of a loaf of bread each, but were VERY heavy. There were high-power rectifier tubes in those supplies that had large cooling fins on the bottom - as a matter of fact, they made very cool ashtrays when the tubes went bad (I had one for many years, and the wife threw it out!! Arrrgh!)


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Could you comment more on that radar, per example:

a) How many radar modes did the RIO has for air combat (BVR and ACM) and how were the scan patterns in azimut and elevation (bars).
There were six "bars" that I remember. I don't recall the starting bar, but if the bars were numbered as such:
1
2
3
4
5
6
I believe the vertical scan pattern went something like: 2,4,1,5,6,3
It wasn't quite what one would expect. I don't recall it changing the bar scan pattern - but remember, the last time I worked on those things was 27 years ago.

As far as modes - they could select PULSE, PD (both ACM modes) A/G (which was the ground mapping feature, 120º PPI (Plan Position Indicator) mode) and I believe T/C or TERRAIN - this last very obscure feature was very difficult for aircrew to understand; it was supposed to indicate to them the likelyhood of collision with terrain features when proceeding at high speed, low altitudes (eg:bombing runs). The antenna scan pattern was that of a "+" - Full Up, Full Down, Center, Full Port, Full Starboard, Center (repeat) The scan displays on both scopes was also a "+". However, a number of crashes occurred while using this mode, and it's use was discouraged by modifying a card in the LRU-10 (Cockpit Display Unit, aft cockpit, port side, just under the canopy rail) to display a large "X" on the screen. As mentioned above, the pilot could select DOGFIGHT mode, which would override the RIO's controls, select short pulse, 10 mile range, and enable VTAS acquisition by sweeping out the range gate upon the pilot's pressing the lower button on his joystick.

The RIO had his own joystick, mounted to the right of the scope and above it. The RIO's stick was about the size of a screwdriver handle, or straight sausage-shaped on a ball mount. It had an "action" button under the middle finger, and a thumbwheel on the top. The thumbwheel controlled the antenna's elevation. The elevation was indicated on the scope as a short horizontal blip on the right side of the screen. Pressing the button halfway down was called "half-action", this would cause the antenna to be slaved to the RIO's stick, and would initiate 60ms PRF switching to prevent target eclipsing.

There was also the "taboo" mode, "EMERGENCY". This mode was to be used ONLY if you were in actual combat, and you had a transmitter failure. This mode overrode all of the thermal sensors, and a number of other protection circuits. Selecting this mode might enable the transmitter to work for a short period of time, but at the likely cost of destroying a number of radar components. When a RIO selected this mode, it tripped a red flag on the knob, which could only be re-set by removing the knob with a small Allen-type wrench. That was one of the very first things we would check after a flight - if that flag was out, the RIO got a trip up to the Skipper's office for an ass-chewing.

There may be more modes that I've forgotten. The last couple of years I was on active duty, we got F-4S's with the AWG-10A's in them, then I transferred to VMFA-122 which had the older F-4J's with AWG-10's again. One can't remember everything from 27 years ago


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b) You commented that the PD mode was the most difficult to use and based on velocity closure (range rate) and not in range vs azimut. That means something like "VS" mode on AN/APG-68 I mean, that's a HPRF mode isn't?. Do you remind any interesting peculiarity of those modes, per example how did they worked according to different clutter environments and target profile?, was that mode only LD or it was also available as a Look up option?
PRF was approximately 40ms in PD mode; but remember there still was minute adjustments made to the PRF at the end of every scan, and it would switch every 60ms during half-action or acquisition.

One interesting aspect of the PD mode was the ground clutter notch. This looked rather like an inverted arch. The faster the aircraft was travelling, the taller and narrower the arch was. It was, literally, a "black hole" - the radar would not "see" anything in that notch. It would take digital signal processing to make use of that ground clutter return, which wasn't until later. Remember, the electronics in the AWG-10 were quite crude by today's standards - their idea of an integrated circut back then was a collection of discrete components surrounded by a black cube of epoxy. This is also what made it so difficult to repair, and gave it a low MTBF.


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c) Can you comment on the MTBF of the radar set, compared to other radars on Phantom and vintage aircraft you know?, it introduced LRU philosophy?, how it was to mantain?, would be delighted (and guess most of us) to hear more about your job
The MTBF on the original AWG-10 radars we had was quite dismal; if an aircraft was still "up and up" (airframes/radar) for three "hops" (sorties) it was golden. Remember, these aircraft were doggone old by the time I got to operational squadrons back in 1975; they were all Vietnam Veterans, and had seen MANY launches/recoveries from aircraft carriers, and were very high-time airframes. A single F-4J Phantom had 15 miles of wire in it. That's a lot of wiring to maintain. Much of it involved the radar. And the radar had quite a few electro-mechanical relays. One of our most frustrating "gripes" would be, "Radar breaks lock under G's" to which we could only reply "G-force simulator on back order." They wouldn't let technicians fly in the backseat - so we couldn't begin to troubleshoot it.

The BIT box (LRU-8) was a troublesome piece of equipment (BIT=Built-In Test) - it was driven by a film strip with written instructions and frame numbers to tell you where it was in the test, and a grid of (logical) 1's or 0's (either black or see-through) that drove a series of either phototransistors or photoresistors, which controlled a "relay tree" above the antenna that would select various circuits to test. This thing was a nightmare in itself. The AWG-10A BIT box was infinitely better; it was all digital, and markedly faster.

When my 1st squadron got the very first F-4S's with the AWG-10A radars in them, we found them to be VERY reliable in comparison - we were getting 10, 20, 30 or more hops between repairs. However, the first time we went to swap out a computer (LRU15 or LRU16, can't remember which) in the turtleback (behind the RIO) we discovered that the computer harness had been made too short! We got the cables off OK, but they just wouldn't go back on the new computer. They'd made an error in measuring the "jig" used to build the cables.

The F-4S's had other teething problems. They changed from the old flammable hydraulic fluid to a new, non-flammable hydraulic fluid; however the old O-ring seals were not compatible with this new fluid. Well, they supposedly replaced all of the O-rings when the airframes were rebuilt, but they missed a few in the turtleback area, causing eventual massive hydraulic leaks and our squadron to nearly lose an aircraft after losing all hydraulic pressure during approach.



d) Did the radar interfaced with advanced con scan Sparrow (AIM-7F) and monopulse Sparrow (AIM-7M) missiles?...
I left the Corps before those missiles were available. The Sparrow missiles I worked with connected to the missile umbilical using a 32-pin shear "wafer". When the missile was ejected from the rack (by firing what amounts to a blank shotgun-shell type device) the wafer would actually shear in half; one side would remain attached to the missle, the other half would stay with the harness. I have a couple of these "wafers" left from my tour in the Corps; I was using them to build Sparrow missile simulators so the aircrew could practice locking on the radar and firing when the missile was inside the envelope. Don't have any photos - yet. They're rather crude, we didn't have any circuit card material available - just soldered together a dozen resistors, capacitors and diodes along with a fuse holder, then potted the whole thing.



Thanks a lot for any answer and for the last post.

You're welcome - hope this is enough for the moment. It's after midnight here, it's been an event-filled day, and I have more to accomplish before hitting the rack.

More to come...

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OK, now I'm really stretching my memory.

There were a number of versions of the AWG-10 radar. The versions I worked on were 1472 (AWG-10, later edition) and 1527 (AWG-10A). There were various changes between the versions, obviously. It looks to me like you found drawings from an earlier version than I worked on.

I'll attempt to address each image in order.
AWG10a.jpg
MAN VEL - I don't recall this control being present. It likely would've only been used in PD mode.
Vc LOW/HIGH - not present in 1472/1527. It would have manually changed the Closing Velocity (range rate) envelope.
SCAN - Funny I'd completely forgotten this control. We'd leave it in 3-bar scan during ground testing. SS would simply scan left and right, no elevation change (except for RIO's thumbwheel input)

AZ - this would control the X-azimuth scan of the radar; normally left in "wide" mode for a 120 degree scan. BST would force the antenna to "boresight", or aligned along the aircraft's centerline.

MSL GATE - Missile gate. If the aircrew wanted to take a chance, they could select "wide" which would allow the firing of a missile outside of the computer-plotted kill envelope. This could be a very valid tactic, such as scaring a bogie off the tail of a wingman.

VEL COV CTR - used in PD mode. Sort of like scrolling up and down this page, you could use this switch to scroll in three steps up and down the frequency spectrum.

ANT - Sometimes, the inertial nav gyros would fail. When they did, you'd select GYRO OUT to disable that input to the radar. The artificial horizon line on the scope would then remain fixed from left to right across the screen.

ERASE CLUTTER - this was a pushbutton, not a toggle switch in later models. The screen had a lot of persistence. The ERASE CLUTTER button was equivalent to CLS on a PC - just get rid of all of the persistent stuff to prepare for a fresh "paint" of the screen.

FUNCTION - Same modes as I remember. You'd have to put it into OPR in order to enable the transmitter - but there was a weight-on-wheels switch on the starboard landing gear which would prevent radiating RF on the ground (unless you manually jumpered across it or some such.) You'd have to push the switch in and rotate it to select EMERgency mode, which would deploy the tell-tale red flag below the switch. Had a RIO scratch most of the red paint off the flag trying to get it to go back up

MODE - PD (Pulse Doppler), PULSE (both Short Pulse and Chirp modes) VI (Vis Ident, never used) H MAP / L MAP (the PPI modes) A-G (the antenna was locked in boresite in this mode) TERR (Terrain Clearance mode; X'd out)

AWG10b.jpg
The BIT box buttons!
The visual readout looked only vaguely like what is represented. Each frame had a test number in the top of the readout, and near the bottom, where the next tests were if failure or success occurred.

You could manually scan forwards/backwards through the tape, and select a random test if you desired.

You could press GO to force a "go" condition even if a test frame failed.
If a frame failed, the tape would stop, and the "NO-GO-FI" button would illuminate. Pressing the NO-GO-FI" would attempt a logical Fault Isolate to discover the area of the problem. It wasn't all that accurate.

The thumbwheel switch controlled the brightness of the buttons and readout.

AWG10c.jpg
Top image: this is a display of PD mode. Note the "main beam clutter" - this is the upside-down notch I was talking about; the clutter return from the ground. Since the notch is relatively flat, the speed of the aircraft is currently pretty low. See the "6" on the right? The tic mark is the antenna elevation strobe. The "blips" near the bottom of the screen are near Fo, or the frequency of the radar, which means their Vc, or speed relative to the aircraft, is near zero. The blips near the top of the screen are closing at a very high rate, perhaps 1,500 knots or better.

Center image: RIO has initiated half-action on his control stick. Radar is switching PRF rapidly, the antenna feedhorn is nutating at a 66hz rate, and the antenna is slaved to the RIO's stick. RIO controls antennas' azimuth by moving his stick left and right, and the range gate by moving the stick forward and aft. Elevation is still controlled by the thumbwheel.

Bottom image: Much is self-explanatory. Steering error dot - the direction the pilot should fly to get a better "bead" on the target, or improve the chances of hitting the target with a missile. ASE circle - the steering error dot needed to be inside this circle in order to fire a missile. As the aircraft neared the target, the circle would become quite wide, but beyond a certain point it would get much smaller again. It represented the kill envelope of the missile. RANGE RATE CIRCLE - you would find the RANGE RATE GAP to determine the Vc of the target. The range rate gap was usually 1/8" to 1/4" wide, but in this drawing you can't see it at all! The gap would rotate around from about the 1 o'clock position to roughly the 11 o'clock position. I don't recall offhand what Vc's the positions meant (27 years, remember?) but in most of the BIT tests, the Vc gap would be in about the 7:30 position.

That's enough racking my brain for the moment.

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•Report written after writer spent a month at Westinghouse for familiarisation prior to setting up facilities at Ferranti.
•AN/AWG-10 greatly improved capabilities over previous systems
•Target detection by pulse radar, or pulse doppler. Chirp/evaluation monopulse detection techniques.
•In pulse doppler mode, targets are tracked in velocity, and range to target determined by auxiliary circuits. Mode used to discriminate target from clutter on the basis of velocity, improving downlook capability. Also very high average power (1KW) which increases range.
•Normal pulse radar modes are present for short ranges but peak power is limited by the use of a klystron amplifier essential to pulse doppler operation. Pulse expansion and compression techniques (chirp) are used to achieve higher duty ratio and high effective power short pulses.
•Elevation monopulse used for terrain clearance mode, which gives steering indications to avoid terrain obstacles in low level flight.
•Monopulse also used in air to ground ranging mode.
•In pulse doppler mode the antenna will update velocity by nodding to pick up ground returns, to improve navigational accuracy
•Low altitude operation used for weather mapping and mapping from low altitudes using pencil beam
•Beam spoiler used for better map presentation at high altitudes.
•Two displays, for pilot and navigator. Lights used for mode & informational presentation, plus direct view greyscale radar displays.
•3 computers located behind RIO, to provide missiles with target data
•CW transmitter for Sparrow illumination
•Extensive Built In Test facilities

•Uses solid state circuits to save space.
•Packaged in LRUs for flight line replacement with few or no harmonisation adjustment required.(really??? - Overscan)
•Most units in the nose behind the radome, in a structure with slides forward for easy access.
•Indicator and optical sight in pilots cockpit. All controlling units in the radar operators cockpit. Three computers located aft of the operator's cockpit, above fuel cells.
•Antenna AS1906 contains waveguide feed to a hybrid T which splits the transmitter energy equally between the two halves of a dual waveguide horn. The horn provides an elevation monopulse radiation pattern which is sharply focussed by a 32" paraboloid reflector. For reception, input to two channels are taken from the sun and difference arms of the hybrid T. The difference arm of the T is connected to a waveguide switch to permit selection of the difference signal or the input from an auxilliary waveguide horn located at the rime of the reflector. The selected signal is appiled to the receiever auxilliary channel. Signals from the sum arm of the T are duplexed part of the transmitter waveguide to the main channel receiver. Low power waveguide (not carrying transmitter energy) is half height to save space and weight.
•Transmitter and microwave components are located on the right side of the radar assembly mounted in the nose of the aircraft. Power supply and transmitter pulse amplifier are housed in a pressure vessel, which has an air to liquid heat exchanger in its walls. Liquid coolant is pumped through the walls to cool the air, which is then used to cool the several units.
•Transmitter Pulse Amplifier is commonly called the Pulser and is one of the units located in the pressure vessel. This LRU applies high voltage to the pulse transmitter power klystron during transmit interval and removes high voltages during receive intervals as determined by pulses produced in a timer antenna unit.
•Radio Frequency Oscillator is an LRU mounted beneath the after part of the transmitter pressure vessel. It provides the system with very stable pulse transmitter and first mixer (local oscillator) frequencies. Since it also generates a CW transmiter frequency in another unit, this unit is the source of all microwave frequency used in the system except the parametric amplifier pump signal.

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AN/APG-60 (AWG-10) Specs (UK version I think?)

Radar provides following information

1) Target relative bearing
2) Target range
3) Closing velocity
4) Attack info for missiles
5) Radar Ground map
6) Steering Info for Terrain Clearance

Frequency Characteristics: 9,600 - 9,900 Mc/s and simultaneously 10,050 -10,250 Mc/s (main + CW)

Peak RF power delivered to antenna is between 1 -2.6 kW with a nominal value of 1.65 kWfor search or track conditions using the pulse widths and pulse repetition frequencies specified below over 9,600-9,900 M/c

PRFs - PD Mode
300,266 +-15pps
300,830 +-15pps
301,614 +-15pps
303,320 +-15pps
309,609 +-15pps

Pulse Modes
During opertion in the Pulse & Map modes the following PRFs jittered a nominal +-10% are used in the ranges listed.

10 miles - 50 miles : 1000pps
100 miles - 600pps
200 miles - 300pps

During TERR & A-G modes PRF is 3000 pps (jittered a nominal +-10%)
In V.I. mode the PRF is 1000 pps (jittered 10%)

Pulsewidths

PD Mode 1.45 +- 0.1 microsec

Pulse Modes
Pulse: 40 microsec (except 0.65 microsec in 10 mile range
HI MAP 40 microsec
LO MAP 40 microsec (except 0.65 microsecin 10 & 25 mile range)
TERR 0.20 microsec +- 0.07 microsec monopulse
A-G 0.20 microsec +- 0.07 microsec monopulse
VIS. IDENT 0.65 microsec +-0. microsec

Long pulse is transmitted as a 40 microsec pulse, linearly, frequency modulated by the pulse expansio circuits.

Radar TX has fllowing modulation characteristics

a) FM ranging - frequency modulated at 85 cps +-0.25% with a deviation of 2Kc +- 3% when tracking in a PD mode.
b) Spurious Modulation - transmitter undesired sidebands are at least 70dB beow carrier level from 1750 cps to 135 Kc.

CW Illumination
a) Average CW power to antenna is between 123-350 watts with a nominal value of 200 watts: within the frequency band 10,050-10,250 Mc/s

Modulation

CW modulation has the following charateristics

i) Coding. FM at a 310 +- 0.25K/c rate. 0.22 +- 30% modulation index as a coding signal to identify the illuminating source for the AIM-7E missiles.
ii) Range Re-cycle. The CW RF Carrier is FM modulated at an 85 +- 2.0 cps rate. 10K/c +- 30% deviation or 5 K/c +- 30% deviation depending on the type of missile in use. This signal is used as the range re-cycle information for the CW target seeker.
iii) Re-cycle Reference. The coding signal (i) above is amplitude modulatd 20% +- 3% at an 85 cps rate, and lags the range re-cycle signal (ii) above by 90 deg +- 15 deg. This signal is used as a re-cycle reference signal for the CW target seeker.

RX Noise Figure

The overall noise figue measured at the input to the waveguide assembly is not greater than 7.5dB over 9600-9900 M/c and will nominally be 6.0 dB

Antenna Gain

a) AI Modes: 35 dB over the frequency range 9600-9900M/c compared to an isotropic radiator. Adjacent sidelobes are at least 21 dB beow the amplitude of the main lobe.

Auxiliary channel antenna gain at least 15.5 dB. For reception in the TERR mode the sum channel has the same characteristics, and the difference channel has a gain of at least 28.4 dB.

b) Map Modes: Antenna beam is spoiled in elevation to provide Cos squared pattern.

c) CW Illumination Mode: At a frequency of 10,125 +- M/cs the sidelobe levl is higher than -6dB within 10 deg of boresight and higher than 12dB at angles from 10 deg to 35 deg from boresight.

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