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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 15:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Semi-active LASER guided rockets look like they are finally going to happen. With some companies focusing on the 2.75" and now MBDA US working on the mighty 5" Zuni ( already tested at China Lake ) it looks like this very cool and flexible idea is going to finally bear fruit. Pretty much anything that can slave a LASER will be able to mount multiples of these rockets with a range of close to 10miles and a CEP of something less than 6ft. Kind of a poor mans Hellfire without the non line of sight trajectory options. I remember seeing video of Harriers with something like 12 racks of SNEB rockets blasting off in ripples. If those were guided and had the flechette warhead it would be pretty awesome! |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 15:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Now that sounds like the kind of weapon I should add to FAF! I have 1 open slot for a new weapon and was waiting to decide on something new... Laser guided FFAR would be awesome! Usable on ground attack aircraft as well as helos...  Any idea what designation they would use? AGM-? |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 18:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
CAG Hotshot wrote: Any idea what designation they would use? AGM-? Yes the official DoD dez is to be: AGM-Hellacool AGM-158 for JASSM is the highest number I am aware of. The newer Small Diameter Bomb and MOAB fall under the unpowered GBU designations. |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 19:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Damn I hate using guesses when it comes to missile designations... |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 15:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
They are now looking at integrating it onto the AV-8B, F-16 and A-10 as well as helo platforms. APKWS: Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System Oddly enough the Hydra rocket which is the basis of the weapon was canceled recently lol The LASER seekers are actually mounted on the forward fins!  The accuracy here is pretty awesome, I think the square on the target is either 6 or 10 ft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIMH7b6J28c |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 16:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
That is friggin sweeet!!!!!! How effective is the HEAT warhead? Any idea how much armor it can penetrate? ** I like how they raised the helo's nose higher to get an arching trajectory! I am definately incorporating this into FAF in the single open weapons slot I have left... Kap - Thanks for the imagery and the excellent video, gives me all the 3D shape and skin info I need to build this! Awesome little weapon! Really adds alot more punch to the platforms carrying it! |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 17:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
CAG Hotshot wrote: That is friggin sweeet!!!!!! How effective is the HEAT warhead? Any idea how much armor it can penetrate? Tremendously variable but from 2 to 7 inches of armor for each inch of warhead diameter. So a 2 inch warhead could penetrate from 4 to 14 inches of armor. |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sat Jul 17, 2010 18:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
I built them and they work great... Limited the burn rate so that you have to nose up to arc them enough to reach the target. Also limited the turn rate because the FFAR wasnt designed to turn at all, so I figured they wouldnt turn all that great even with the new nose winglets... You can shoot individual rockets or ripple fire them... |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 03:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Bumping this just because it's too kewl to let fade away 
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Fri Dec 17, 2010 23:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
KAPTOR wrote: Bumping this just because it's too kewl to let fade away Ant that the truth! Question though, do you think the laser version will become the most used version or will the unguided version remain the main choice? |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sat Dec 18, 2010 03:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Well I'm sure the Zuni version will be all APKWS once it's up and running since the 5 incher will pack a heck of a punch and no real reason to area fire them. For the Hydra 2.75 inch version I think it will depend somewhat on the target. We do STILL drop dumb bombs in some cases when we want an AREA devastated. But ya know, the Hydra had a warhead version ( among many ) that deployed multiple anti-tank mines per rocket. Wouldn't destroy a tank but would pop a tread requiring a fix. The APKWS would allow a very precise delivery of something like that on a bridge, street or back ally to produce a choke point. I see it doing more for the platforms than as a new weapon per say. In other words a Kiowa class helo could now carry seven FFAR in one pod and seven APKWS in the other and deploy whatever was appropriate for each target. A Kiowa could go from four precision Hellfires to fourteen precision APKWS, THAT'S a pretty big upgrade! |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 00:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Another pic of the actual five inch Zuni:  Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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| Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Apr 10, 2011 02:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
I've successfully modelled it in FAF |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sat Sep 03, 2011 18:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
This just in: Quote: Unmanned Systems Fire Scout Grows Aviation Week & Space Technology Aug 22 , 2011 , p. 12 An armed U.S. Navy/Northrop Grumman MQ-8B Fire Scout unmanned helicopter is to be fielded within 18 months. The requirement for rapid deployment means the Navy initially has selected BAE Systems’ Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System to arm the MQ-8, as the laser-guided 70-mm rocket is already approved for deployment on ships. Northrop Grumman, however, will demonstrate Raytheon’s Griffin laser-guided mini-missile this month. The Pentagon has validated the requirement for an endurance upgrade for the Fire Scout to support special operations. The extended-endurance MQ-8C is to be developed in 2014. I also just learned that in addition to selecting a salvo rate ( how many rockets to fire from a pod at a time ) pilot can also select an "area" of the pod to fire. So he can select, for instance, four rockets from the middle of the pod, or five from the left side or whatever. I don't know how MUCH choice they have but I now know they can choose what section is selected to fire. |
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| Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Feb 12, 2012 02:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: SA FFAR are going to happen. |
Just found out the Raytheon 2.75 will be called "Talon" ( yeah like the T-38 super trainer, we don't do original names anymore, just re-purpose old ones ) haven't heard of an "AGM" dez yet. And it has had a re-design, there are performance specs here CAG: http://optronique.net/defense/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Raytheon_LGR_TALON_datasheet.pdf http://www.defencetalk.com/talon-laser-guided-rocket-goes-3-for-3-in-flight-demonstration-38301/ I'll throw this in too. First look at JAGM( Joint Air to Ground Missile ) which replaces the Joint Common Missile, which was to replace the Maverick and Hellfire. The JAGM looks like a tiny Harpoon missile. http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Lockheed_Martin_Surpasses_8600_Hours_Of_Testing_On_Low_Risk_JAGM_Seeker_999.html |
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