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Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Jan 02, 2011 07:30 am ] |
Post subject: | Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
Is the Growler the only Super Hornet that has the wing fences (in pic below) or do all of the Super Hornets now have them? See 2 fences in pics below... |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 03:19 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
News to me, I see it has a different "dogtooth" as well. |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 04:53 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
Received the following from Duke... DukeB-120th wrote: Hard to prove a negative, but from surveying an image search for different super hornets, I haven't come across any others that have the fences.
Additionally, and perhaps more conclusively: From: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2008/07/08/225072/ea-18g-growler-new-platform-and-capabilities-set-to-un-level-the-sead-playing.html Quote: Externally, there are numerous change that are Growler-unique, some more subtle than others. Most noticeable are changes to outer portions of the Growler's wing, put in place partially because of "the buffet onset at high-g manoeuvres" experienced with Super Hornets, says Boeing. As part of a Super Hornet transonic flying qualities programme launched before the advent of the Growler, four design changes were developed by engineers at Boeing. When the navy decided to launch the Growler, Boeing offered to include the improvements, in part to minimise motion of the wingtip pods to better locate threats. "We wanted to make the manoeuvres smoother for the [Growler]," says Tony Bargeon, Boeing's EA-18G configuration manager. "We wanted to make the wingtips quieter too." Leading edge fairings now form a smooth "saw tooth" transition from the outer wing (the outer section that folds up and over for carrier operations) to the inner wing, replacing "snag" edge between the two on the Super Hornet. A 12.5cm (5in)-high by 150cm-long wing fence has been placed on the top surface of each wing about midway along the span, and there are now aileron "tripper strips" just ahead of the aileron hinge line. The two-strip arrangement forms a triangle rough 0.95cm high, eliminating the "aileron buzz" experienced by Super Hornet pilots during the same high-g manoeuvres. Engineers also replaced the perforated hinge fairing between outer and inner wing with a solid hinge fairing to help with the buffeting. Boeing EA-18G chief engineer Kevin Fogarty says Boeing offered to make the same changes on the Super Hornet production line, but the navy declined. |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Mon Jan 03, 2011 15:07 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
The changes have allowed them to eliminate that perforated fold fairing which no one was particularly happy with anyway. As I did a few minutes of research about this last night I saw that the particulars about the SH's stealthiness are leaking out. I've been trying to hint ( and at times outright yell ) that the SH is far stealthier than one would ever expect and that info is slowly starting to leak out. |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue Jan 04, 2011 02:15 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
So, what do you project as its stealthiness in comparsion to other aircraft? |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 02:28 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
CAG Hotshot wrote: So, what do you project as its stealthiness in comparsion to other aircraft? Using arbitrary numbers in a "clean" configuration. Once you hang weapons on them the bayless planes will jump up but the U.S. is known to have some weapons ( JASSM and JSOW for instance ) that are stealthy to some degree. If we say B-2 and F-22 are a "1" With F-117 and F-35 perhaps a "2" I would put SH as a "5" Typhoon as a "7" Rafale and perhaps Gripen at "9" Flankers and Fulcrums would be "11 or 12" The Euros ( other than the Brits ) just don't have a lot of materials experience. Rafale is a nice stealthy shape but it has a lot of details that would get you spikes as well as it's intakes. Pak FA would probobly be a "8" maybee a "7". |
Author: | Zephyr [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 22:15 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
Where would you put the J-20 in the list? |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Wed Jan 05, 2011 23:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
Zephyr wrote: Where would you put the J-20 in the list? And the J-10... |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Sat Jan 08, 2011 03:08 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Confused by Stupid Hornet... |
CAG Hotshot wrote: Zephyr wrote: Where would you put the J-20 in the list? And the J-10... Well I certainly would not put the J-10 any higher than the current and evolving Euro planes, a "9" at best. The J-20 is a huge unknown but I have read some ridiculous quotes today from some military types. I'm kind of embarrassed at what they said because it just points them out as knuckleheads or politicos trying to up F-22 production. I support more Raptors but not by lying and hyping the situation. Reminds me of the bomber and missile gap bluster against the Russkies. IF (and that's a huge IF at this point ) the J-20 is what it appears to be, I would put it at say a "5 or 6" on our little stealth scale, but I bet it turns out to be more like a "7 or 8". |
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