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Author: | mlad [ Sat Mar 03, 2012 14:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2009-04.html B-2 Shot Down over Yugoslavia in 1999 war : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qi1z4vh79A |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 01:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
mlad wrote: B-2 Shot Down over Yugoslavia in 1999 war LOL OMG I'm gonna hurt myself LOLOLOL |
Author: | mlad [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 20:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
Officially, it is Serbia that destroyed the first f-117 but in reality it is Iraq's lack of evidence remains of the plane have been deleted by a cluster bomb launched from an F-16. NATO underestimated the capacity of the Serbian air defense, the B-2 is not invincible, it has weaknesses in a relatively small scope like Serbia. |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 23:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
No B-2 has EVER been shot down by anybody. At best that video is mistaken ( F-117 instead of a B-2 ) at worst it is a lie. The only reason the F-117 was shot down , optically by the way, not via RADAR, is because we gave them every chance to. We flew the same routs night after night after night. |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Mar 04, 2012 23:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
mlad is young... His barrage of posts of nothing more than links is proof enough of that. He doesnt seem to have the capacity to create content himself so he simply cuts and pastes urls to others, mostly fantasy... |
Author: | mlad [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 00:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
It is true that Mr. gag shot is quite neutral in his comments... |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 02:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
Easy boys, nothing wrong with posting links, I appreciate the info and always take it with a grain of salt regardless of the source, thanks mlad |
Author: | mlad [ Mon Mar 05, 2012 03:04 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
You are welcome KAPTOR. Sorry for my bad english...I think sometimes it's good to know the weapons potential opponents.Isn't it Mr CAG Hotshot? |
Author: | mlad [ Tue Mar 13, 2012 05:12 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
The 250th ADMB would reach the end of the 1999 conflict with a significant victory for any air defense unit, regardless of strength or sophistication: the shootdown of an F-117A. On the 27th of March, 1999, an F-117A was shot down by an S-125M unit commanded by Colonel Zoltan Dani. Col. Dani has stated that the missile system was modified, although he has not provided any details which could compromise such systems still in service in Serbia, and has discussed communications intercepts which provided insights into flight routes. The most likely explanation is that a long wavelength radar system was incorporated allowing the F-117A to be tracked at greater-than-normal range for the system, allowing ingress and egress routes to be studied. An S-125M battery deployed underneath a known ingress/egress corridor would have an excellent chance of tracking an F-117A, as the aircraft is not, after all, invisible. By masking such a deployment from NATO reconnaissance assets, the S-125M battery would be able to engage and shoot down an F-117A. Given that there were no other LO aircraft shot down, despite persistent propaganda claims of B-2 shootdowns to the contrary, this would appear to be a credible scenario, as the likely NATO response of altering future flight routings would alleviate the possibility of a SAM battery being purposely deployed underneath a known route. Again, while Serbian air defense units did not ultimately prevent NATO aircraft from conducting their bombing raids, and therefore failed to achieve their strategic purpose, on a single night in 1999 the 250th ADMB demonstrated to the world that with proper support, competent tactics, and effective training, a less technologically advanced system can still be an effective part of a strategic air defense network. As a side note, the F-117A shootdown likely resulted in the second most famous event of the 1999 conflict-the bombing of the Chinese embassy on 7 May. While various sources have claimed that the building was bombed due to signals intelligence information, alleging that China was studying cruise missile systems to develop effective countermeasures, this story makes as much sense as the official response that the site was hit due to an error caused by outdated maps. By 1999 China was well into developing the HQ-9, and had imported various iterations of the S-300P (SA-10 GRUMBLE/SA-20 GARGOYLE) and Tor (SA-15 GAUNTLET) SAM systems, providing viable cruise missile defense. It is more likely that the site was deliberately bombed to prevent the transfer of F-117A airframe and RAM components to the Chinese. |
Author: | mlad [ Sun May 07, 2017 20:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Revisiting the Lessons of Operation Allied Force |
Thanks to the former Yugoslavia, the Russians and especially the Chinese were able to develop new stealth fighter planes. This is partly why this country was destroyed by NATO in 1999. The "SCO" - Shanghai Cooperation Organization - has also been founded in 2002 after that. - Refuse and resist - an act of bravery that this country has demonstrated through time. Nowadays Serbia keeps a non-aligned position unlike Montenegro who stands behind NATO without the consent of his people... Successful mission was for NATO: preventing access to the Adriatic Sea to Serbia. But the corrupt period of Boris Yeltsin is over. We move now to a multipolar world... |
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