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If there is any US involvement it would most certainly involve multiple carrier battle groups. That's why the Chinese are so intent on getting Su-30MKKs and anti-ship missiles to threaten US carriers and possibly force them to limit involvement.

On the D-Day style landing thing, remember that China has very limited amphibious assault abilities. Check out Hazegray.org. China literally has roughly 50 amphibious ships and many are small vessels. The number of troops and equipment they could ferry to Taiwan quickly is limited.

Zephyr

Add to this the fact that your country now has improved naval resources on the way (New Destroyers and new Submarines) which are a serious threat to any PRC mainland force invading your island...

Plus you now have AMRAAM and the current versions of Harpoon...

Also I understand you have shore batteries of additional antiship missiles..

What is the current version of the AGM-84 Harpoon?

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Yes CAG that is correct... however China's Navy still is a bit stronger than Taiwan's, probably because of numerical force.

Something interesting is that we just got a shipment of AMRAAMs recently, a few days ago, and it was all over the newspapers...

I don't know about the antiship missiles over the shore, but I can say that most Taiwan people cheered when the Patriot was proven VERY effective, because we spent LOTS of money on them, and they're set up all over the island to stop Chinese Fighters and Bombers...

Yep, China got it's AA-12s so you got your AIM-120s...good deal I say!

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AA-12 is crap! It has never made a kill, even though it has been used in a conflict... It does not even have a lofted flight profile, so at the end of its trajectory is has no 'smash' ... no energy left for a hard kill, thus it is easy to out maneuver at long range....

You mean hasn't been used in combat because I am curious if it has where. I think it was just a typo. The R-77M has lofted and it's basically an AMRAAM copy, a copy like everything else Ruskie. The AIM-120 is overall a much better missile. About the only advantage of the R-77M is the longer range (if it can hit that far and depending on what the classified range of the 120 is, guarantee its well over 27NM, probably over 40NM) and the bigger warhead. But what's a warhead if it can't hit. LOL. In the hands of a capable pilot I think the R-77 is a decent weapon from what I've read about it. But then again so is the R-27TE and RE. Those are some heafty powerful missiles I have to say. I doubt they could hit a target at make range like the 120 can but regardless, I think if R-77s were flying through the sky there would be a lot of pilots on edge. But as far as R-77 or AIM-120 I'd take the 120C anyday!

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You know many people would say the F-86 Sabre was one of ur country's biggest stepping stones in air combat due to its dogfighting in the Korean War, however it was the F-86 that was clearly a MiG-15 copy lol. Couldn't resist Cent, that's just a really obvious case there ur point still holds a lot of value no doubt.

Jimbo

In terms of specs the R-77 is an AIM-120 copy, but is the design itself a copy? Considering how different the AIM-120 and the R-77 look I find that hard to believe. Could one of the experts here (CAG/ Zephyr?) clarify this?

How unofficial this information is would obviously be beyong me but here is a basic comparison...

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... /aa-12.htm

and also from an Air-to-Air Missiles page linked below, scroll down to the description of the r-77 aka AA-12 "AMRAAMSKI" and u wil get a lil more info... lol gotta love that that ruskie finish to the word AMRAAM eh COMRADES.

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/air_air.htm

Jimbo

I've never heard of any copying involved in the R-77. And CAG I thought you said the R-77 had a lofted trajectory, also what conflict was it used in? It would seem that the R-27 extended range versions have potential max ranges greater than that of current AMRAAM versions.

Zephyr

F-86 was not a MiG-15 copy. Both the F-86 and the MiG-15 came from secret German aircraft designs taken after World War II...

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Cent... you are right and wrong at the same time, Jimbo you are just plain wrong...

The F-86 DID NOT come from the MiG-15, obviously it could not since it flew in 1947 and no one outside the Soviet Union knew the MiG-15 existed until 1950...

The F-86 Sabre jet was a direct development from the original US Navy straight wing FJ-1 Fury jet fighter. North American altered their design after German wind tunnel testing of shapes and swept back wings became available to them. However as the FJ-1 Fury it flew in 1946...

Thus the Sabrejet was born from the A to the H model.. as a day fighter and a night interceptor/ bomber killer(D model Saber Dog). It was then developed back into the Fury as the FJ-2 Fury, then expanded even more into more versions of the Fury down the road and used heavily by the USMC...

While the MiG-15, which had no resemblence to the Saberjet, other then the fact that it had a nose inlet for its engine(a version of the Rolls Royce Nene, that the UK sold them in 1947, can you believe that!?!?). was the basis of next 2 MiG fighters, the 17 and the 19..

The Fagot was quite stubby and unstable at high speeds, while the Saberjet was a steady gun platform at any speed and incororated a radar site for its 6x50 cals...

Actually the next version of the R-77, the PD has the lofted trajectory, however it is not in production anywhere outside of FA Futures at the moment! I deleted the standard version of the R-77 because I liked the lofted FM and the standard production version isnt...

The MiG-15 was based on the Ta-183. F-86 had no relation to that plane AFAIK.