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Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 21:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Does anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? I have them on paper somewhere, but I cant find the elctronic pages... I am looking for something specific he experimented with, so any help is welcome here... |
Author: | Groove_GFA [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 21:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Does this help? Wrench has some tips from P.Mok. http://www.wrench1smog.com/wrench1.html I remember P.Mok's old site, but it's long dead. |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 22:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Thanks but the tips I am looking for are no longer carried there... Quote: NEW: P.Moks Super Lib Tricks!
Removed to conserve space |
Author: | Groove_GFA [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Ah, I see. I read the page over the weekend and remembered it when I had seen your post but didn't review its content. I ran a few more searches on your behalf and didn't come up with anything unfortunately. Hopefully there are more grizzled old Vets like myself that remember that project like I did and have saved an electronic copy somewhere. I count myself lucky that Wrench's tips were still there, I didn't have much faith that they would be when I sought them out intially. Might as well back up those up in an electronic copy while you can still access them... |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Groove_GFA wrote: Ah, I see. I read the page over the weekend and remembered it when I had seen your post but didn't review its content. I ran a few more searches on your behalf and didn't come up with anything unfortunately. Hopefully there are more grizzled old Vets like myself that remember that project like I did and have saved an electronic copy somewhere. I count myself lucky that Wrench's tips were still there, I didn't have much faith that they would be when I sought them out intially. Might as well back up those up in an electronic copy while you can still access them... I am a grizzled old vet... Wrench's tips are out of date. |
Author: | Groove_GFA [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
I figured as much... |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Tue Oct 20, 2009 23:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Found some of them in an old archive... Quote: P.MOK'S SUPER DUPER LIB SECRETS - REVEALED!!
SUBS: You already figured it out. Use the 'wave shape' and it looks like a small ripple on the water. I think I also had to copy the shape over once and give it the xxx_s.sh name so that it would not crash the game when destroyed. (objects like ships need a Destroyed Shapes as well as the primary shape) TARGETABLE MISSILES: The key is to give the missile damage points (I give it 50). Otherwise you can check the "Object is targetable" box till the flight-simming truckers come hime and nothing will happen. But DO make sure you check that box as well!!! SLOW CRUISE MISSILES: There are a bunch of setting you need to change to make a missiles 'cruise' at low speed. 2 areas are important: 1) Missile Info: The Flight Speeds Section is important. Set the initial speed to "0" if the missile is a slow accelerator, or set it to 400 or 500 knots if you want to get it up to speed quickly. For ship launched missiles you might want to make sure it has enough initial speed so it doesn’t drift back into the sea before engine ignition ( or you could just set ignition delay to 0). See below for additional Acceleration info. For Fuel Expended & Removal I give both 6000 ticks (4 ticks = 1 second; 6000 = 25 minutes). The idea is that since the cruise missile uses a turbofan engine, not solid rocket propellant, the thrust is continuously provided throughout the missile flight (as opposed to conventional rockets, which would have often brief motor burn times, for instance, 20 seconds). The Turn Rates section can be adjusted here as well. Generally the setting in FA seem to always be 60 degrees powered, 45 unpowered. This is probably quite a bit off from realistic. Vark's setting for the AMRAAM, for instance, are 1 powered, 10 unpowered. That means while the rocket's motor is burning maneuverability is very low, the missile will fly straight ahead until the motor has burned out, then the missile will turn to it's target. I should also note that Vark's AMRAAM the motor burns for 8 tick, about 2 seconds. Also note that once the motor stops burning (fuel expended time is up), the missile no longer puts out smoke. Very hard to spot an incoming AMRAAM with no smoke! But for a cruise missile which has continuous thrust, it probably is smarter to give the missile a better turn rate while powered. I guess you could leave it at 60. 2)Movement Info: Here the settings you want to look at are the Maximum and Corner Speeds. Since missiles are generally more agile than aircraft, I usually don't worry about corner speed too much, and just set it the same as max speed. Max speed for a subsonic cruise missile would be around 500-600 knots. So change that ridiculously high "3000" knot speed to 600. Now when launched the missile will acclerate from 0 (or whatever initial speed you set) tothe max speed for as long as you set the fuel expended. In this case since we set the fuel to last as long as the life of the missile, it will cruise at 600 or so knots until it is 'removed'. Now, lets look at the accel/decel data. I looked at Vark's settings in VarkLib 2.1 for some ideas on what this stuff does and still have no idea how it converts to real-world speeds. But, some useful values: by default the missiles generally have accell 375296 and decel 37376, or thereabouts. These are not very impressive or practical, so what I did was up the accel a million or so: 1375296 works very nicely for high-speed missiles like AMRAAMs or Sparrows. You might as well leave it alone for the cruise missiles, since they would not accelerate that quickly anyway. Generally increasing Decel means the missile will slow down over the course of its flight and eventually, if it runs out of fuel, slow down and drop or loose lock. This is not good for cruise missiles which are supposed to fly for up to 25 minutes, so what I did was set the Decel to 256, and arbitrary number which reflects my desire to avoid excessive decel and at the same time doesn’t pretend there is not decel at all over time. You can play around with that if you like; see what works. TOOLKIT TIP: Proximity Fusing -- I don't have all the answers, but here's some ideas: I am not *sure*, but I believe the final collision check EARLY or LATE determines, as you might suppose, when the game check to see if a weapon has hit it's target. A LATE setting would theoretically simulate a 'penetrating' weapon that would pass into/through an object before exploding, while an EARLY setting would allow air burst before reaching target. <<<< UPDATE: From my recent testing, BOTH LATE and EARLY need to be checked for proximity Fuse to work correctly In a related matter, I discovered an interesting setting in the .JT files from studying some of Vark's files: proximity fuse radius! I am not sure how this setting works with the above settings: look for the setting he the bottom of the section called: ---------------- START OF PROJ_TYPE ------------- byte 0 byte 9 word 4 word 500 ;fuze radius <---I assume, this line: kjs! byte 0 byte 18 byte 18 ptr fireSound word 6000 word 0 word 1200 word 100 --------------END OF PROJ_TYPE------------------- (Wrench note: P.Mok doesn’t say what type of weapons he's looking at, but read on: perhaps an LAU type rocket?) As you can see here, the fuseRadius of this particular weapon (the M26 rocket) is set to explode when it get within 500 feet of target. Higher values will cause the weapon to explode over a target, but it also means the radius of the weapon blast may have to be adjusted to ensure proper damage from the blast. Lower values will allow the weapon to home all the way into the target. |
Author: | Groove_GFA [ Wed Oct 21, 2009 22:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
That's awesome, looks like some interesting stuff there. |
Author: | Ali [ Sat Oct 24, 2009 01:58 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
OMG! CAG YOUR SO AWSOME...finally the proximity fuse thing is solved! i knew the rest of the tips tho. thank you very much. |
Author: | Ali [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 15:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
hey does anyone smaller have flak explosion effects ? |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 15:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Have you tried both ATF Flak Bursts? |
Author: | KAPTOR [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 03:29 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
CAG what are you looking for? |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Sun Jan 17, 2010 05:39 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
KAPTOR wrote: CAG what are you looking for? |
Author: | Ali [ Tue Jan 19, 2010 21:52 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
not cag, i was looking for much smaller flank explosions, thought maybe u guys have it |
Author: | CAG Hotshot [ Wed Jan 20, 2010 01:32 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Anyone have a copy of pmok's FA tips? |
Why not just edit the graphics of the flak blast and make them smaller? Sounds like something I could use in FA Futures for the new proximity fused ammunition! |
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