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Author:  usnraptor [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 14:16 pm ]
Post subject:  New Aircraft Carriers

I got a hair up my butt the other day and decided to make new aircraft carrier numbers. The textures look just fine when assigned to the default carrier (i.e. Nimz or Kitt), but when I build a new carrier with the shape files modded to reference the new pics, the Island, Cat Guy, and tugs are gone. What am I doing wrong/ missing or is it "hardwired" into the program? I noticed CVN-71 & -76 on Kapset 3.0 did the same thing.

The goal:
Image

Current:
Image


Location of folder for CV numbers project:
[link no longer valid]

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 14:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Pictures didn't display or just me?

Author:  usnraptor [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 15:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Centurian57_369th wrote:
Pictures didn't display or just me?


They do for me. However, I think I ran into this problem before.

Check now; I moved the pics from ftp to http.

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 19:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Yep see it - all right so you made it so we can have whatever base we want?

Author:  usnraptor [ Thu Aug 08, 2019 21:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

?????
I'm trying to build a new aircraft carrier that looks like the top picture. However, what I end up with is the bottom picture.

USS Independence [uses Kitty Hawk as a basis]

CV62.SH CV62_A.SH CV62T.SH XCV62.SH
_CV62.pic _CV62_A.pic _CV62T.pic _CV62TD.pic _XCV62.pic

I used the hex editor on the .SH files to tell them to look at the listed .PIC files.

It's as if the program doesn't know how to find the cat officer, island, tower, and a/c tugs since I changed the name of the ship.

I tried adding the file ~KITTT.OT {aka Kitty Hawk Tower} and changing its name and insides to match (i.e. ~CV62.OT), to no avail.

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:25 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

usnraptor wrote:
?????
I'm trying to build a new aircraft carrier that looks like the top picture. However, what I end up with is the bottom picture.

USS Independence [uses Kitty Hawk as a basis]

CV62.SH CV62_A.SH CV62T.SH XCV62.SH
_CV62.pic _CV62_A.pic _CV62T.pic _CV62TD.pic _XCV62.pic

I used the hex editor on the .SH files to tell them to look at the listed .PIC files.

It's as if the program doesn't know how to find the cat officer, island, tower, and a/c tugs since I changed the name of the ship.

I tried adding the file ~KITTT.OT {aka Kitty Hawk Tower} and changing its name and insides to match (i.e. ~CV62.OT), to no avail.


Maybe this will help. It's from my tips & tricks back in 2003 and you'll recognize the author:

Quote:
Giving away secret on Carrier building, new carrier w/tower.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok due to the many requests in my email I have decided to share how
you make a new carrier and keep the tower... You can only do this for
a small number of extra carriers(like 1 so far for the Nimitz or
Kittyhawk shape !ha!)...
This is how I did it...... I made the Clem into the Eisenhower by
changing the shape file in the CLEM.NT file from the clem.sh to the
nimz.sh and by copying and renaming the NIMZT.SH to CLEMT.SH thus
replacing the clem tower... Thus I have Two Nimits class carriers...

Addition editing will be required of the skin files as the towers now
overlap the deck edge elevators but this is just a texture fix to
solve..

Next to get another Kittyhawk class carrier I simply replace the
NIMZ.SH file in the NIMZ.NT file with a new Conn.SH fle(renamed and
hexed copy of the KITT shape for Constellation)and replaced the
KITTT.SH file in the ~KITTT.NT file with CONNT.SH(hexed copy with new
skin of the KITTT.SH file) thus I have two new Kittyhawk class
carriers with towers and the Eisenhower...

Now to get the Clem back as a usable carrier I simply added another
carrier and used the CLEM shape .. The clem shape and tower are hard
linked thus you dont lose the tower when you make a new one..

Also to make an additional Clem shaped carrier simply use the XCLEM
shape(You will have to copy the CLEM_A.SH shape and rename it
XCLEM_A.SH if my memeory serves me) in another NT file and you have
two Clem shaped carriers.......

So as you can see there is really no mysterious way to make new gains
in FA, you just have to do some unorthodox thinging is all.....

Just let you imagination wander and you usually end up finding
solutions...

CAG Hotshot
VNFAWING Sim Develoment Center Admin


Author:  usnraptor [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 11:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Thanks for the response. As I was suspecting, yet hoping wasn't true, it is hardwired into the code. That's unfortunate. I could live without the tower, cat guy, and a/c tugs, but the island/bridge is a rather significant portion of the ship.

Update: If you are willing to share, I'd like to post your collection of tips & tricks on my website.

This got me checking out old FA sites today. Remember these:

https://web.archive.org/web/20021009030526/http://centurian.bravepages.com/main.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20020405232044/http://centurianny.tripod.com/

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 17:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Go ahead:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jwe7u48j2z47s0d/Tips.zip?dl=0

Author:  usnraptor [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 22:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Go it; thanks!

It may be a few days before posting. I want to consolidate all your tips into one file.

Update: On second thought, I'll just post the .zip file in the Misc folder.

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Fri Aug 09, 2019 22:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

usnraptor wrote:
Go it; thanks!

It may be a few days before posting. I want to consolidate all your tips into one file.


Do whatever you want with it :)

Author:  CAG Hotshot [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 05:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

usnraptor wrote:
Thanks for the response. As I was suspecting, yet hoping wasn't true, it is hardwired into the code. That's unfortunate. I could live without the tower, cat guy, and a/c tugs, but the island/bridge is a rather significant portion of the ship.

Update: If you are willing to share, I'd like to post your collection of tips & tricks on my website.

This got me checking out old FA sites today. Remember these:

https://web.archive.org/web/20021009030526/http://centurian.bravepages.com/main.htm

https://web.archive.org/web/20020405232044/http://centurianny.tripod.com/


You can always make a tower as an object and then place it on the carrier and have as many carriers as you like as long as you always add the tower manually to any missions you create. Just make the tower a selectable item in the object list...

Author:  CAG Hotshot [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 05:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

Centurian57_369th wrote:
usnraptor wrote:
?????
I'm trying to build a new aircraft carrier that looks like the top picture. However, what I end up with is the bottom picture.

USS Independence [uses Kitty Hawk as a basis]

CV62.SH CV62_A.SH CV62T.SH XCV62.SH
_CV62.pic _CV62_A.pic _CV62T.pic _CV62TD.pic _XCV62.pic

I used the hex editor on the .SH files to tell them to look at the listed .PIC files.

It's as if the program doesn't know how to find the cat officer, island, tower, and a/c tugs since I changed the name of the ship.

I tried adding the file ~KITTT.OT {aka Kitty Hawk Tower} and changing its name and insides to match (i.e. ~CV62.OT), to no avail.


Maybe this will help. It's from my tips & tricks back in 2003 and you'll recognize the author:

Quote:
Giving away secret on Carrier building, new carrier w/tower.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ok due to the many requests in my email I have decided to share how
you make a new carrier and keep the tower... You can only do this for
a small number of extra carriers(like 1 so far for the Nimitz or
Kittyhawk shape !ha!)...
This is how I did it...... I made the Clem into the Eisenhower by
changing the shape file in the CLEM.NT file from the clem.sh to the
nimz.sh and by copying and renaming the NIMZT.SH to CLEMT.SH thus
replacing the clem tower... Thus I have Two Nimits class carriers...

Addition editing will be required of the skin files as the towers now
overlap the deck edge elevators but this is just a texture fix to
solve..

Next to get another Kittyhawk class carrier I simply replace the
NIMZ.SH file in the NIMZ.NT file with a new Conn.SH fle(renamed and
hexed copy of the KITT shape for Constellation)and replaced the
KITTT.SH file in the ~KITTT.NT file with CONNT.SH(hexed copy with new
skin of the KITTT.SH file) thus I have two new Kittyhawk class
carriers with towers and the Eisenhower...

Now to get the Clem back as a usable carrier I simply added another
carrier and used the CLEM shape .. The clem shape and tower are hard
linked thus you dont lose the tower when you make a new one..

Also to make an additional Clem shaped carrier simply use the XCLEM
shape(You will have to copy the CLEM_A.SH shape and rename it
XCLEM_A.SH if my memeory serves me) in another NT file and you have
two Clem shaped carriers.......

So as you can see there is really no mysterious way to make new gains
in FA, you just have to do some unorthodox thinging is all.....

Just let you imagination wander and you usually end up finding
solutions...

CAG Hotshot
VNFAWING Sim Develoment Center Admin



You know I have forgotten more things than I remember about this sim... I would appreciate it if you would up load any other tips I posted over time. Since I lost 1/3 of my website a few years back many of the tips were lost....

Author:  usnraptor [ Mon Oct 07, 2019 09:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

All the tips I have are posted in my Misc folder

http://myplace.frontier.com/~usnraptor/Fighters%20Anthology/Misc/

Author:  CAG Hotshot [ Wed Oct 09, 2019 02:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

usnraptor wrote:
All the tips I have are posted in my Misc folder

ftp://ftp.frontier.com/pub/users/usnraptor/Fighters%20Anthology/Misc/


Unfortunately some of those tips are old out of date versions, such as the PT file which was radically updated at VNFAWING but lost when the web hosting company went belly up...

I will dig through what I have on my old DVDs and see what else I can post up for you to add to the list.

Author:  Centurian57_369th [ Wed Oct 09, 2019 16:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Aircraft Carriers

I can drop box what I have for you all.

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