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Just because the shapes are simular doent mean a thing. The Tu-160 is the prime example, it is not a copy of the B-1 as most belive but a ruskie design. The Yak-38 is most likely the same thing, a ruskie design. I am not to sure about the Su-24 and An-124, they may or maynot be, there is no real prof (I have seen) eighter way.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

BIG I wana know where u get al this info from???

For the YAK-38 I found no evidence that it is a Harrier copy but a design that came out of YAK-36 as it was first reffered to as YAK-36M in its deleopment.

for the Su-24: A Quote
That is as close as i could find any fererence between F-111 and Su-24 someother writing also included a fererence to the Torando. Is the Tornado a rip off the F-111?

And about the An-124 it is the largest & highest flying transoprt in production. It dworfs the C-5. I again could not find any evidence it is a copy.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Just look at the planes. Yak-38 looks just like a Harrier. AN-124 looks just like a C-5...its plain as day

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Can anyone here give me any definte prof that any of the aircraft claimed as copies are actualy copies??? To me just because they retain a simular body structure dosnt mean a thing. The simularity in shape dont mean anything. Its like dumb bombs they all look alike. Because their is realy only one way to make them. Has anyone considered that some plaens look alike because there is no other good way to desgn them??? Transports for example. They all seem to follow simular designs.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

I'm not saying that every plane the Russians made was a rip off of an American counterpart.

It's just that Russia has a long history of copying U.S. planes. Ever hear of the Tu-4 Bull? The Russian's built it using a B-29 that had done an emergency landing in Russia.

They put it together piece by piece as the B-29 was. It was basically a rivet by rivet copy.

The Harrier was created before the Yak-38, the C-5 was created before the An-124, the B-1 was created before the Tu-160 (the B-1A was anyway), the F-111 was built before the Su-24

Just use common sense BT, compare the designs. There is no way that all these similarities are just mere coincidence-






hmmm, I never knew they painted the B-1 in a desert scheme......





although I do have to admit we got this one from the British...........But atleast we didn't rename it and try to make ppl think it was our design........

Just compare the photos with the fact that all the U.S. aircraft were built before their Russian counterparts.

Though the An-124 does have a different horizontal stabilizer configuration than the C-5........But note the fuselage, wings, and engine location.

photos come from FAS.org BTW.

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THe main difference is that the RUssians failed when they initially attempted to develop an engine like the pegasus that could provide both thrust for lift for takeoff and then for crusie. So they had to alter the design to have only the rear nozzles rotate and have a lift enging in the front... Nothing but wasted weight in forward flight, plus the aircraft had no 'viffing' capacity... Total junk really...

I honestly do no beleive they so much as stole our designs as they stole our ideas and then developed them with their own technology.. ALot of the time they could get a design into the field faster then we could because we would od so much more testing then they would...

However their is Payback for this! We stolle the rotating afterburner nozzle idea from them (Yak 141) that we used on the JSF!

Ok lets get some facts strait.

The An-124 was made in the tradition of the An-22 heavy lift transport, it can do many things C-5 cant do, one thing it can land on Siberian frozen lakes , and is the heavies production lifter in the world, it was also made to carry the russian space shuttle.

I belive someone alreadt posted the fact about the development of the Tu-160, and how it was developed into that shape sepereatly of the B-1.

How would i post pics on here so we can compare the YAK-38 and Harrier from many angles?

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

the buttons at the top- see the one that says [img]? Click that, the paste the URL of the pic to the right of it, then click the [ img] button again for the closing tag.

BTW- it's a proven fact that the Russians have copied Western designs in the past. Is this what you're disputing?

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I am not diputing that Ruskies have copied the west and probably vice-versa, but the fact that some ppl here claim that every good or uniqe ruskie plane is a copy. I know some (prob Su-24) are designed around western planes. I am trying to get people to think about their claims and not just shoot breaze about any aircraft that resembles something else.
Here are drwing of YAK-38 and Harrier:

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
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LET ME TRY AGAIN

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Comparison:

YAK-38:
Wings: Mid-mounted set mid body far behind air intakes, stuby delta-shaped with blunt tips and a almost trait with little negative slant.

Engine(s): One turbo and two lift jets. Two large exhausts on the bottom of the rear fuselage. Large, semicircular air intakes below the cockpit well forward of the wings.

Fuselage: Silindrical keeps shape untill exaust, long with pointed pencil nose and taperedbulky and curved tail section. Bubble canopy.

Tail: Rudder far swept-back and tapered tail fin with square angular tip and a small step in the leading edge. Flats are mid-mounted on the body, swept-back, and tapered with a negative slant

Harrier:
Wings: large high-mounted, swept-back, and tapered, a lot of negative slant and blunt tips.

Engine(s): One vectored thrust turbofan mounted in the body. Large, semicircular air intakes that give the body a rounded appearance from the head-on view.

Fuselage: Thick, rounded gets thinner after intakes, and tapering to a slender tail. Pointed nose and bubble canopy.

Tail: Rudder light swept-back and tapered with curved tip. Small step in the leading edge. Tail flats high-mounted on fuselage are swept-back with a negative slant and blunt tips. Pointed rear tail cone.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Whoever said a copy was as perfect as the original? Please everything they copy winds up to be crap in comparison.

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I wouldnt say that. If the Su-24, An-124, Tu-160 are copies are not crap. They are quite good, equal if not suppirior in some parts to the western counterparts. Yes they lack in some fields and excell in others.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

lack in some fields? Gotta be fuel consumption. Those birds are greedy gas guzzelers, kinda fitting eh?

And who do you think you are BT? We were shootin for a perfect 100% F-14 vote, and you have to go vote for the MiG-29, please!

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Well to me close combat is IT. I figure what ever plane has the better chance of winning in a dogfight between the 2 desrves my vote.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.