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From: "Jake Donovan" <jakedonovan_2nospam@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Why not use the F-22 to replace the F/A-18 and F-14?
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2004 5:53 PM

Pete,

You are even closer than you think. 1- Whomever said the F35 is almost the
same as a F22, I have this reply, gee, that Honda 250 Dirt Bike looks just
like my sons Mongoose BMX bike.

2- The F22 is officially headed to the reserves and ANG as soon as the F35
comes on line. Kind of turns on the lights as to the operating parameters
of the 22 vs the 35.

Having flown both, they are not even close to being the same aircraft. The
35 is already light years ahead of the 22. My X/F35 experience was one of
my most memorable test programs I have been involved in. Stepping out of
the Sims and into the aircraft, you found you could push the 35 well past
what the Sims prepared you for. That was a first in my career.

Although the Raptor is a very capable aircraft, If I had the choice and had
a 35 on the line, I wouldn't leave home with out it. It looks like they got
it right the first time out and the F35 will be with us for some time to
come.

Jake

"Pechs1" <pechs1@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040222101149.09068.00000117@mb-m14.aol.com...
> steele-<< Should we be thinking of using the FB-22 Raptor as a replacement
> for the F/A-18 (and the F-14)? I know that the current F-22 was
> not designed to be heavy enough for naval use, but it could be
> re-engineered. They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
> version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.
> Why not upgrade it then? >><BR><BR>
>
> F35 better, cheaper, sooner and designed for shipboard use. Why not scrape
the
> F-22, and replace it with F35? These things are 'expensive', to say the
least.
>
> P. C. Chisholm
> CDR, USN(ret.)
> Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

lol yeah YOU would know better than the guy who flies them! I bet Biggs agrees with you lol.

The F22 is officially headed to the reserves and ANG as soon as the F35 comes on line. Kind of turns on the lights as to the operating parameters of the 22 vs the 35.

Bigs is a dumbass

I got news for you. I don't think it would take much to make the F-22 carrier capable. An arrestor hook, maybe strengthened undercarriage, and thats probably it. It's light enough, it's small enough.

Why don't you go get married in San Francisco with your boyfriend, while you still have time?

> |> Should we be thinking of using the FB-22 Raptor as a replacement
> |> for the F/A-18 (and the F-14)? I know that the current F-22 was
> |> not designed to be heavy enough for naval use, but it could be
> |> re-engineered. They are planning to bring the FB-22 (bomber
> |> version that carries 30 2000 lbs bombs) online in the future.
> |> Why not upgrade it then?
> |
> |There are stresses from carrier ops that just aren't allowed for
> |in the design of Air Force fighters, mainly having to do with the
> |landing and arrestment. Unless the plane is designed with these
> |forces from the start, you basically have to redesign the plane's
> |frame (which means moving dang near *everything*) to get it
> |ready.
>
> The F-35 is basically the same plane as the F-22. It has been
> modified to be a carrier aircraft.

The F-35 is nothing at all like the F-22. It is a new design carrier
capable a/c, unlike the F-22.
Also, the avionics suite on the F-35 is at least 1 and sometimes
2 generations newer than the F-22.

I participated on the NATF proposal back when. There was a
remarkable amount of re-design necessary to make a land-
based a/c capable for carrier use. This included; adding a keel to
the airframe to take the arrestor loads, adding folding wings for
deck storage, changing the way the engines are removed, changing
the wing to allow lower approach speeds, changing the entire
landing gear system, upgrading the corrosion plan, etc.
Resulting in an entire new airframe. Not cheap and little in
common with the USAF version, so what's the point.
Which is exactly what DoD said, and why it went no-where.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

Does this mean you are proposing? Oh how sweet...