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Yeah what the hell is the name of the Japanese C-1 transport?

Also what year did the R-77RVV-AE officially enter service with Russia? I know that the PLAAF got theirs in 2003 and somewhere that India got them in 1999 and 2000 and tested one on a MiG-29 in 2000. Also read that Russia got them in 1994 but reading ACIG they are saying it isn't in service anywhere in posts that go back to 2002.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Aircr ... /R-77.html

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Centurian

As far as I know, only the Chinese are reported to actually have *some* of the missiles in service(not yet verified, but suspected)...

The Russians have not yet put them into squadron service(no $$$), nor have the Indians, who were waiting for their SU-30MKI's to be delivered. Now that those dielveries are taking place they are receiving missiles into the inventory...


This version will most likely never make it into RusAF service, as they are now concentrating on the new upgraded version that used the lofted flight model for terminal velocity attack energy via a plunging attack profile...

The new version is what I modelled in FAF Korea...

CAG out...

India has MKIs in service and I've seen some pics of them carrying the Adder. Here's a pic of ramjet Adder mockup:



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Centurian

Zephyr,

I believe I said the Indians had now begun to receive them...



So it would not be surprising to see them...

ALos the modified R-77PD with lofted FM is not the ramjet version... That is an even newer version the Russkies are attempting to develop to counter the longer ranged British Meteor missile...

CAG out...

Well,
The MiG 21 Bisons recd the R77s first, so for a peroid of a few months were the 'best' in the inventory..

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Do the RVV-AE is not lofted? Well time to go fix the LIBs. What's the flight profile? Climb to tgt altitude and go from there or got at launch altitude and climb to target or what?

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Centurian

I would guess fly straight to the target with, errrr lead course pursuit I think it is called. That is, the missile calculates where the target will be and goes there to intercept, but FA can't do that.

Zephyr

its designed to fly a flat trajectory... This is why they worked so hard on cutting the drag on the tail fins, since the missile will have no terminal dive to target to regain energy to maneuver with...

But it turns out its a failure anyway, and thus the subsquent versions have a lofted FM...

Also, you can say what you want about the Russins, but they do build em pretty... That ramjet version of the R-77 is a beautifuly designed missile...

CAG out...

Not as sleek and sexy as the AIM-120C with this clipped wings and same goes for the AIM-9X and the Russian R-73, that 9X is just oh so awesome...

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Yes, but the AIM-120C doesnt even have half the range of the ramjet powered R-77...

Even the improved range C-9 version of the slammer will not come anywhere near matching this or the Meteor...

I wonder if there is a ramjet powered AMRAAM in the wings?

Also I wonder at the reasons for this long range 'Amramski' from the Russians, since their radars can not detect a fighter sized target at the ranges claimed for the improved R-77... Unless they plan on using it for Anti AWACs or to kill bombers?

CAG out...

Like all Ruskie products I doubt it will be able to do much. Even the Alamo-C can't hit targets at its range. I think thats just the range it loses enough energy to be useless.

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Centurian

Very true about the extended range Alamos and their "max" ranges. I think the Russians are planning ahead for any future aircraft they may build. Also remember the export market, IIRC the Su-30MKI's radar has improved range? Also the Russians have been experimenting with handing off missile guidance and targeting between different aircraft, so maybe AWACS or drones can help with that.

Zephyr

Wouldn't this also give away the presence of a drone or AWACS thus giving the F/A-22s a target?

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Well, considering the F/A-22's LPI radar will most often detect an enemy aircraft without counter detection at a much farther range then the enemies rdar will be able to detect it, its going to be a sure kill for the Raptor either way...

But I would still like to see video footage of that ramjet missile in flight...

I bet its sweeeeet....

CAG out...