Zephyr Net

Except for some components, the R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) line of missiles are manufactured and assembled in Ukraine.

The R-27AE was proposed by Ukraine as its home-grown competitor on the world market for the Russian RVV-AE (export R-77). As a competitor for a Russian product, it has become apparent (and confirmed through some recent research) that it will never have a place in the Russian arsenal. In cases when Russian aircraft carry an active radar missile, it will be the R-77.

Unlike the R-27AE, the Kh-41 has at least appeared at airshows on a Su-33 pylon and dummy models have been test-flown (but not launched). The Kh-41 is also built in Russia, which leaves open the possibility, however slight, that it could become operational in the "near future", if world events took a different course.

A similarly dubious case could be argued for allowing the R-27AE to remain on Ukrainian Su-27s, but not Russian ones (despite the fact Ukraine has no intention to field this missile itself, only to produce it for export - Ukraine would require R-27AE seekers for from Russia, which Russia would only provide if it was going to receive export profits as part of the deal). Unfortunately for technical reasons, this is not possible in Lock On, the R-27AE must be available either for all Su-27-equipped countries in Lock On, or for none.

-Swingkid

Well from what Swingkid says it was only a proposal from the Ukraine arms industry. IIRC R-27ME is a modification to the R-27RE for the Su-33, with better over water performance?

Zephyr

So you are saying that no Active Seeker version of the AA-10 will be carried by a Russian SU-27...

What about the Chinese? Have they shown an interest in this missile? I know they are building thier own active seeker missile, but you know with their track record on missile development it may never work out...

CAG out...

Uhhh Cent, I never asked anything about the R-77...

So you are saying that no Active Seeker version of the AA-10 will be carried by a Russian SU-27...

What about the Chinese? Have they shown an interest in this missile? I know they are building thier own active seeker missile, but you know with their track record on missile development it may never work out...

CAG out...

Doing some web searches it seems that this missile, R-27AE may actually be designated AA-10 Alamo-E. The Chinese have R-77s, "locally designated R129", and the Su-30MKK can reportedly carry them. The Russians are involved with the PL-12/SD-10 active radar missile so there doesn't seem to be a market for the Ukranian R-27AE there.

If/when the RuAF upgrades Flankers to Su-27SM standard, they will be able to carry R-77s.

I'm still unsure about the R-27ME, its a SARH version with even more improved range? There don't appear to be any passive radar homing R-27s in service anywhere and they seem to be just a rumor/concept from years ago.

Zephyr

MiG-31 (Type 01; `Foxhound-A'): Two-seat, all-weather, all-altitude interceptor, able to be guided automatically, and to engage targets, under ground control. Designated MiG-31DZ or MiG-31 01DZ when fitted with AAR probe.
Detailed description applies to the above version.

MiG-31B (Type 01B Izdeliye 12): Second production and service variant with improved Zaslon-A radar, ECM and EW equipment and with upgraded R-33S missiles. Replaced 01/01DZ in production in late 1990. Avionics upgrade includes A-723 long-range navigation system, compatible with Loran/Omega and Chaika ground stations.

MiG-31BS (Type 01BS): Designation applied to Type 01/01DZ when converted to MiG-31B standard.