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 Post subject: B-2 Anti-gravity drive
PostPosted: Fri Apr 16, 2004 02:32 am 
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It has been rumored that the B-2 uses a anti-gravity drive in conjunction with it's jet engines. This allows it to use lower power engines, thus reducing IR and accustic signature. Also the electrogravitic field around it absorbs radio energy, thus furthur lowering its radar cross section. This electrostatic field also reduces drag and friction, furthur lowering IR signature and increasing range.

I am not positive this electrostatic field is used in anti-gravity perpulsion, but I am positive that it is used on the B-2 to absorb radio energy and reduce drag.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... #pid472103


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and I am positive you are a nut!

Why do you need to reduce drag to use lower powered engines (look up the thrust, they are perfectly in line with bomber TTW ratios) on an airframe that is almost drag free? No rudders, no elevators, no fins of any kind to produce drag. Flying wings have been around sisnce the 30s at leaste because they are SO attractive from an efficiency aspect.

Anti-gravity drive? where was this developed? where was it tested? on what airframe has it been used before? Non-sense, NASA only let contracts on anti-gravity a few years ago, will be decades before we get anything usefull out of it.

Electrostatics certainly would NOT reduce the RCS of anything with an original RCS smaller than that of a small apartment building.

I smell "Master Race" technology claims in the background of all this, sheesh.

Spend a little more time in the real world so you will look a little less ridiculous.

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Anti-gravity. Yep I buy in to that one :wink:

The engines on the B-2 use a combination of outside air and diluted gases to cool its exhaust therefore giving it a superbly low IR signature.

If anything like that exists it's black project classified UFO stuff out in the middle of the desert underground and I don't mean Area 51, I mean a place that is secret. Area 51 now is probably just a distraction from where the good stuff REALLY is.

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if you would read the link or the book "Electrogravitics Systems" there is a large amount of evidence that the B-2 does produce high voltage from the leading edge and through the exaust system. There is too much to explain right here. However, I think that this post I found sounds pretty reasonable.

Electro-Aerodynamics - An Alternative to the Electrogravitics theory:

One thing that remains a constant as we have researched the B-2 and possible electrogravitics is that the leading edges and exhaust are apparently charged electrically.
That being the case I would like to offer up an alternative to the "anti-gravity" theory.

B-2, Electrostatically Charged:
Antigravity? Electrogravitics?
Maybe... Maybe not; but one thing that I do believe concerning the B-2 is that the leading edges are indeed charged with high voltage, and quite possibly the trailing edges or the exhaust as well. I've read it in authoritative aviation publications and I've spoken to B-2 grounds crew - and I believe it.

Sure, the military & defense industry provided the news media/general public with some information about the craft's outward design, and low radar and infrared profile, but there is much they continue to be silent about.

Some key secrets about the B-2 were leaked to the press in the March 9, 1992 "Aviation Week and Space Technology" magazine, in this issue it was reported that the B-2 electrostatically charges its exhaust stream and the leading edges of its wing-like body. Janes Defense Weekly and other reputable publications also picked up on this and many field related acamedicians, intrigued laymen, industry professionals and conspiracy theorists alike began to hypothesize why this was done.

A little history:
In 1968 Northrop submitted a paper to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics entitled "Electro-Aerodynamics in Supersonic Flow". The thrust (pun intended) of the paper had to do with drag reduction and cutting heat friction and fuel burn. It was also noted in this paper that plasma surrounding an aircraft actually reduces it's radar cross section.
This is a dual-purpose technology that Northrop, the designer and manufacturer of the B-2 has known of for well over a quarter of a century.
The Russians too caught onto this and now the internet is filled with web sites touting Russia's "Plasma Stealth Technology" as the latest and greatest thing... and yet it is technology that Northrop had back in 1968.

Moving forward in history we come to the time that the Advanced Technology Bomber (B-2) was being developed, with Northrop winning the contract over Lockheed's Skunkworks...That in itself is pretty amazing actually.
So perhaps, (and this is just as "perhaps"), Northrop won out over Lockheed based on their knowledge and continuing progress in electrically reduced radar cross section & electro-aerodynamics simultaneously.

A Few Considerations:
So, IF the various reports are indeed true about the B-2 charging it's leading edges, could it be that this grossly underpowered, 325-375,000 lb flying wing utilizes this charge for a duality of functions.

1. What is also clear by the nature and implications of Northrop's 1968 research paper, is that the electrostatic field could actually provide a significant parallel reduction in drag and a concomitant improvement in lift - even to a sub-sonic vehicle.

2. A benefit that piggybacks on the electroaerodynamics and yet is an integral part of the B-2 equation; a form of electrically charged stealth, whether it be Plasma or some alternative electrostatic form of reduction of radar cross-section.

Conclusion:
Electro-Aerodynamics instead of Electrogravitics, some form of Electro-static stealth perhaps plasma stealth... and it all stems from Northrop's research paper "Electro-Aerodynamics in Supersonic Flow" written back in 1968. The B-2, I believe, is the embodiment of that research.

I posted this information in another forum but thought it could be of benefit here.

Documents referenced :

AIAA 6th Aerospace Sciences Meeting "Electroaerodynamics in supersonic flow" by M.S.Cahn and G.M.Andrew from Northrop Coporation - N°68-24 January 22-24, 1968.

AIAA 3rd Fluid and Plasma Dynamics conference "Recent experiments in supersonic regime with electrostatic charges" by M.S.Cahn and G.M.Andrew from Northrop Coporation - N°70-759 June 29-July, 1970.

"Disruption Mitigation Using High-Pressure Noble Gas Injection on DIII-D" A study in Cold Plasma, CJ Lasnier, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA (US Dept of Energy, Grant #DE-FG103-95ER54294)

"Aviation Week and Space Technology" magazine, March 9, 1992

"Nick Cook, Aviation Editor for "Jane's Defense Weekly" - "The Hunt for Zero Point" July 2002


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I read those links this morning before I responded.
Do you know what IS behind the leading edges of the B-2? I have seen them, it's the famous "roach motels for RADAR" nothing more complicated or weird. The people posting some of that stuff dont even know what a tail code is for! They were surprised to see a "gray" B-2 instead of black when in reality NO B-2 has EVER been painted black only gray!

I had to laugh when they surmised the B-2 was underpowered when in fact it has similar thrust to KC-135s and such but the B-2 has a MUCH cleaner airframe!

Plamsa for drag reduction was done back in the 50s to 60s but it takes a lot of power to acomplish very little. Among other things it reduces the onset of a sonic boom.

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so you are saying that the plasma stealth idea wont work on the b-2, correct?


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ummm yeah.

It wont work on the B-2 because it isnt being used on the B-2! Do you actually believe these people when they feed you tripe about the B-2 using antigravity drive?
Go google and research just the thrust to weight ratios of B-2 verses any subsonic plane in the 300,000 to 400,000lb weight class. These numbers are readily available on the net. Then ask your self "do I want to believe these people when they cant get such an easy thing as TTW correct without making it into a conspiracy theory?"

P.S. Groom lake has been dead for years with regards to classified stuff. It's all moved to Alaska with SOME stuff going on in Colorado, Fallon AFB? cant remember for sure.

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ok, but are you sure that plasma stealth is completely out of the question for the B-2?


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Some people just dont learn until you hit them over the head with a baseball bat!


Anyways....

Can't be Fallon, Kap... Fallon is a NAS used for strike and fighter training. It took over for Topgun when Miramar was transferred to the Marines...

Wouldnt be to secret when the base is constantly crawling with transients...

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is there a Falcon AFB in CO.? The stuff that is suppossed to be going on there is more along the line of developement rather than any actuall flying examples, that stuff is supposed to be in Alaska where the "flying wedges" were first seen. These were protos for either the B-2 or F-117 but I never heard much about them.

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I dont know(dont remember), you could check the USAF Orbat of airbases to determine which base is being used in that location...

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http://www.globaltechnoscan.com/13march ... tealth.htm

According to Aviation Week, the B-2 does use electrostatic technology.


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"decrees" is that AE, or is that a misprint?

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NO!!

Your link goes to a company that sells the modern equivalent of copper braclettes to cure arthritis and claims that Av-Week says blah blah. Still no link to an Av-Week source whatsoever.

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