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Hmmm, I have to say that I agree with that article Zeph.

However radiation can spread to cover mass distances. Take a look at Chernobyl- When that thing blew, it sent radiation into the atmosphere where it contaminated places as far away as Britain.

They had to kill some of their sheep and livestock due to this.

The history channel ran a show called 'bunkers'. In which it detailed an underground hardened bunker somewhere in NJ or Maryland IIRC which was built in the 70s-80s, which was set up for Congress as a refuge incase of a nuclear attack. The little place had enough food, water, medicine, and supplys to house all of those people for over a year. However when the public found out there was a large retarded outcry to disasemble it, which was done..........

Also Ripleys Believe it or Not had a segment about an underground bunker system in LA. It was set up by wealthy people as a personal safe house for them. With such features as a controllable air recycling system, mass stores of vital items (probably porn tapes, lol), fake lawn turf, and underground mansions in it to make the place look like a rich community.

Not to mention the cases during the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s of people building their own hardened shelters.

But our defense against a nuclear attack is the interstate highway system. That was its offical purpose- so people could escape doomed cities via a speedy roadway. It was also put in for the military to quickly mobilize.

It takes what? 30 min or less for a nuke to hit its target. I think once NORAD would have detected a launch they would have told news agencys who would have alerted the public (and cause mass chaos IMO), it would have taken another 5-10 min for those people to pack up, and another 5-10 min for them to make it to the interstate itself (traffic jams). Where they would have been able to get far away from the blast to live IMO.

My point is we did have defenses against nuclear attacks, but our main one was our own nuclear arsenal and the ideals of- "mutually assured destruction"

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BTW- the Desert Storm 'Left Hook' that I put in was not the name of the military move Shwartzcoft (sp?) did against the Iraqis in '91.

Typo there- the move was called 'the Wheel". It was where U.S. tanks came in and attacked Iraqi armor from the west (through the Iraqi desert) instead of a head on assault on Kuwait.

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Personally, I think that article is the biggest crock of crap I have ever read! He skips over and dismisses so many facts it s almost a joke!

He never mentions the catastrophic effects of a large EMP blast from orbit over the US (SS-9 FOBS), nor how the Soviets had developed 'dirty' weapons specificially for killing cities with short term radaiation, nor how they developed extensive neutron warheads for enhanced radiation effects. We never mentions what would happen with so many nuclear explosions occuring over so large an area in an exchange between the US and the USSR. Instead he points to specific large blasts, but fails to relate how those blasts were non nuclear and did not have radiation effects.

I could go on and on, but the facts are this... That writer leaves alot to be desired and is excellent at 'disinformation'!

kinda like Leo eh?

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No doubt the writer has an agenda, but the sources quoted are in the know and make some good points. The majority of nuclear weapons were designed for immediate effect (blast), which reduces delayed effects. IIRC neutron bombs are only suitable for tactical applications. Obviously it would be a "nuclear holocaust", but there would be significant numbers of survivors in the USA and USSR. Certainly the world would not be completely destroyed, but I do imagine cooling of global temperatures. True, Krakatoa far exceeded many nukes, but I think dispersed nuclear explosions will raise more dust than a single island surrounded by water.

Zephyr

I think we should have just wiped out Russia in the 50's before the KGB got access to our nuclear stuff...........

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Uhhh... Big, the Soviets became a nuclear power in 1949, so bombing them in the 1950s would of earned retaliation with TU-4s...

However we learned from this, because this is the reason we pre-empted Iraq from gaining nuclear weapons.

Are you sure their Tu-4s had that kind of range?

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One way missions Big...

That is what the Russians trained for with the TU-4...

rgrt

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Well then..........we should have nuked them in the 40's, lol.

This is the 100th post of this thread BTW, I think it's safe to say this one has more responses than any other thread in FARC history.............well maybe not, I think our recent debates with NVA had a bit more..........

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Tu-4 wouldn't have lasted very long against P-51s though.

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Gentlemen, any military campaign that results in success could be concidered "Brilliant". Casualties, as a factor, must be measured in accordance to the time period (the technology of warfare of a given era), as well as the time frame it took to accomplish the end result.

As technology of warfare has emproved, the casualty rates of the armies that had the best technology usually have declined, and the length of time of battle has also been reduced.

Myself, I would be hard pressed to pick one of the choices that have been posted. Partly because I know little about some of them and for the reasons I've previously stated.

Some resources for those that want to study up on WWII and Korean war.



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<S> Hey Outy welcome...Yeah listen to this man he has so much info on WWII it ain't funny... (or healthy for that matter lol jk)

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Careful Cent, a scholar of the subject I'm not. Just got some decent resources for info.

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