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What Scum did is what they always have done- wait for the U.S. to come fight their battle for them.

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BiG the simple fact is that if that was the US it would have been ran over in the same manner. No matter how much industry you had, six weeks is a short time, and for a matter of fact the US military was relativly weak in 1939-1940 compared to when they joined th war.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Ok big I have looked around. In 1940 there was some half million US military personel (Army, Navy...) actualy 458,365 to be exact.

While ther were over some 3 million in the French Armed forces ov witch some 1 million were taken prisoners after the invasion. I cannot find exact numbers, but it is or sure that there were over 3 million, and if not 1 million that were captured after the surrender is twice the size of US army.

Germans were smaller the the French but bigger then US in 1940, there go my resoning that US if in the place of France would have been ran over maybe even quicker then 6 weeks.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

We beat the British with a small, rag-tag army of farmers BT. Simple as that. We would have put up a fight and a half, not given up right away. Secondly in 1940 we were waging undeclared submarine warfare on the German U-Boats, yes that is right we were in the war before 1941. In 1942, US production equalled that of the Axis powers, in 1944 it was double. You get the US motivated enough and everyone is fucked, (i.e. try to invade us and you're in for a real fight and a half!).

However I don't know about today much. My generation is pathethically lazy as a whole. I mean they'd probably just sit there while a small few of us put up a fight.

US Army of half a mil would have put up 100x the fight that the French army (thats an oxymoron) did put up. Simple as that.

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The Poles fought harder than anybody to resist the Nazis. Yet they fell very quickly. The US Army at the time, regardless how big or how dedicatedly they fought, would have fallen to the Nazis inside the same 6 week period. Well, maybe 8-10 weeks, since the Nazis would have had toi fight through the whole of the territory (given that the US Army was defending the territory called France). The point here isn't the dedication, the point is that at that time, there was no way to stop the Nazi advance, because they were at their peak in efficiency, and their tactics and strategies and such were all still very new. The US Army would have also been overwhelmed, much like the French were. Unlike the French though, the Amis would have fought till they lost properly - 8-10 weeks, max.

I dunno us American's are resourceful mofos! We think of things to adapt to the situation pretty fast.

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This is true too. Actually thinking about it, it would be quite interesting, but I have no clue how it could be simulated to a very high level of accuracy...

Nobody can actually predict what we'll make I mean it goes with the situation. Look at all the stuff we used in Desert Storm, I mean and that was a meager little war in comarison. First night we launched all those drones to fake them into thinking we were launching an attack from that area and in reality were weren't even near there...

Before D-Day they had a bunch of wood tanks assembled in a field and every day they'd go move them around to confuse the Germans.

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Cent I know that Americans are quite resorfull but the fact is that the way Germans fought was able to over run a army six time the size of the US Armed Forces (THATS ALL BRANCHES COMBINED), its like in Russia in France units were over ran in lighting attacks. I dont belive that US could have stood it takes time to organise a defence and the Blitzgreig (SP) is dependent on suprize attacks. Hell the Poles were bigger then the US and they fell, they fought like dogs but still.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Never said we'd defeat them, hell man they were the last great military we fought. They were a true foe. But we sure wouldn't have gone down without a helluva fight that's for sure.

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Cent I know US would, every nation put up a fight, i mean the Poles fought like dogs and fell fast. The French were the most professional well trained army (over all) in Europe as well as the largest. They lacked one thing good strategies, they wee still in the mentality of WWI warfare of large convertional armies. Their faied were good againts the Italians who were foughting on the south because they were using convetional warfare, if I am not mistaken the Itlians werent able to push in more the some 30-45 miles into France while the Germans well.........

Thats my whole point every nation fell to the Germans with in the time span of 6-7 weeks max. None could last longer then that. Except the USSR due to their size and Engalnd due to the fact they are island.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Comparing Us to Poland isn't really fair. The Poles were attacked from the east by the Soviets on top of the nazi invasion.

They never had a chance.

Also the U.S. is a much bigger place, and if we really had to defend it then we'd definitely put up a huge fight and inflict massive casualties and perhaps bog them down.

You must look at our terrain to understand this-

1. the Appalachian mountians- this is actually a pretty big mountain train. I've drove through them before. There's a ton of brush and trees, ideal for Guerrila Warfare. There's also unlimited potential for bunker complexes. If an invasion of the East Coast ever came, I'd say the Army would be best suited to withdraw to here.

2. Swamps and marshy climate of the Southeast- take a look at Swamp Fox (a South Carolina general), he'd withdraw into the swamps, come back out and attack the British, and repeat the process over and over making them believe there were more infantry than there really was. No one wants to fight in a Swampy area, especially with all the snakes and gators......Also these areas include South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Louisiana, etc.

3. the deserts of the Southwest. There are indian tribes out there who lived in caves dug under cliffs.......Anyway, the deserts of California, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, etc. are extremely arid and hot.........who wants to fight in Death Valley?

4. the Rocky Mountians, these would be the perfect defense of the West Coast if utilized correctly. They run from Alaska to Mexico, and are extremely cold in the winter. Much Much bigger than the Appalachins. Once again- the ideal place for tunnels and bunkers.

The Swiss were able to keep the nazis from invading them via monsterous tunnel complexes which they had dug into the alps. This discouraged Hitler from going into Switzerland, so he never did.

I don't think the above 4 terrains are favorable for an advancing army in the least way.........

Also don't forget about all the mega cities we have here, we could have drawn them into Urban Warfare all over the U.S.

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Big you missed the point, I was never said they attack US its self but that the US was in the place of France, there for US = France, France = US.

And yes it isn't fair to use Poland as an exaple but it is close, if I am not mistaken someone mentioned about US having to fight two sides? In 1939-40 at the bigging of the war.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

I agree about the mountain areas and swaps. Moreover Germany would not have had an army big enough to occupy even a quarter of the US and keep it under control.

Im pretty sure that the cities would not have been a problem, though, urban warfare was a speciality of the German army. They were equipped with special assault tanks for urban warfare and not concerned with collateral damage (who was at that time?). In addition the German machine pistols (MP38, MP40, MP42) were superior to any other firearm for this environment throughout the whole war. In cities the USAAF couldnt have used their anti-tank aircraft effectively, thus removing the most effective anti-tank weapon from the equation.

Anyway, I am sure a German invasion of the US would have failed. Still Hitler wanted to do it. The only way it could have worked to beat the US would probably have been the way the US did it with Japan, drop a nuke and make them surrender.

Yeah, but thank goodness that they didn't get nukes during the war........even if they had em they still wouldn't have been able to get them to the Continental U.S.........

But BT- if you want to compare the U.S. and scum armys during WW2 and the job they would have done defending their homelands, then you certianly have to look at the terrain of each country.

The whole Maginot line thing was pure idiocy, anyone with half a brain could see that they were going to go through Belgium.......

We've faced scenarios where we were forced to fight on our shores, and we won every time (Revolutionary War, War of 1812, Mexican War, and even WW2 off the coast of Alaska).

While I don't remember a time in which sPAReus was defended successfuly.......except for when the U.S. came and did so in WW1.

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