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Figre it this way. If there is nothing wrong with it and its a sound machine then hoo-rah!

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I have just watched this on the Discovery Channel ( they were showing the F-117 and B-2 pre-tests)

and there is the reason that made U.S. develop stealth tech:

In 1974 the USAF made a research to know how a U.S. vs. USSR War would be... They concluded that all U.S. planes would be out of action in 17 days....

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Ye a saw the same thing on dicovery. The thing about ruskies is that they made their planes cheap, manuverable, eazy to manage and capable of taking off unpaved runways and roads. So i war they could take off after all the runways were gone something that the NATO planes could not do. That along ith the fact that ruskies would build 1000's of planes may have been a factor for the 17 day estimate. I mean what good is a state of the art F-16 when its up againts 15 MiG-21's, quantitiy would probably win.

Geeez....

....And I thought they were fearing the SAM sites.....

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I wouldn't think they were easier to operate. The Russian planes dont have as many automated functions and there are no built in self imposed manoeverability limits which make them very agile in the hands of an expert but require more experience than western aircraft.

They were eazy to operate as in terms of, they did not require sophisitacted fasilities to function for certain periods of time. They could operate out on the road. In order for that to happern they must be eazy to load, refuel and so forth. In hand of a trained pilot a group of old MiGs could probably take on a F-15 or 16, a few would be lost but in the 15 to 1 senario it would realy matter. If you got the enemy out numberd 15 to 1 for every plane, what does it matter that u lose 4 migs per every F-16?

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

Thats even if they saw us coming in. The plan of attack would have been extreme low level the whole way in at very high speed. It also depends on the era. If it were the 80s I doubt that we'd only survive 17 days. I give us a lot more than that simply because of the verge of the AMRAAM, which would have most likely been thrown right into service. Even in the late 70s I give us more than 17 days. Remember they estimate worst case scenario. Yeah well kinda pathetic when it takes 15 planes to knock out a single US one. I'll take that Sure 15 MiG-21s could take out just about anything I mean come on thats a no-brainer. Butimagine the 15 F-15s that go in for CAP first? Can we say annihilation? It woulda been one helluva war!

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U have to under stand that the 17 days comes for the US air Force studies in the early 80's later 70's. And when I said 15 to 1, it is for evey 1 US plane in the air there are 15 ruskies up there. It wouldnt probably happen but if bothe sides went after the airfield. If both sides lost all airfields the ruskies could still fly their jets while the NATO planes would be out of the atcion. It wouldnt have been a bad idea for the USSR to trust aircraft in huge numbers to attack airfileds and disable the NATO air force. Even if their airfileds were lost they could still fly attack aircraft and fighters from roads, highways and unpaved runways.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

They'd be a helluva lot more screwed though. I mean this was at a time when the only planes they had that could reach the US were heavy bombers because they didn't and still don't stress in flight refueling and remember they didn't have a carrier or anything back then except for their Kiev class and what they can carry isn't equal to a single F-14 or F-18...

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.I was talkin about the western front, europe, i dont belive that NATO clould have destroyed all the eastern bases in USSR, they could probably have saved a few of thouse. But I realy didint think about the east, my focus was on the west, Gemany, France, Britain, Spain, Italy and the rest.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

ahh okay well specifying that it'd be a giant nuke flurry. US IRBMs woulda launched, UK missiles, maybe the French but I dunno at who, UK or Russia, LOL! Yeah it woulda been a mess. Doubtful anything would surivive a few days wtih all them nukes flying around thus the need for MD.

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That would have defenetly happened, in time, as everyone has the dam things!!!!!!!!!! I dont doubt that ruskies would have used nukes if worst came to worst. but then so would have US, UK, and France.

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August 2nd 2003
The 110th Anniversary of Yugolsaivan Aviation!
St. Elias the gardian of the Fighter pilot.

a war between the U.S. and USSR would have been a blood bath for both sides.

I don't really think that SAMs would have been a problem for the USAF, seeing as how they all would have come in at below 300 feet. But the B-52s would have had no role seeing as how they're high altitude bombers.

But the jammers and jammer escorts they had were pretty effective in NAM, so who knows?

IIRC the U.S. always had the numerical superiority in the Cold War in aircraft, troops, etc. But the Russian's can fly their planes very well..........I think the only way for the U.S. to win would be to catch them off guard and destroy their planes on the ground as well as their SAMs.

Of course if we were able to accomplish this they'd just launch their nuclear weapons............

Do they have the same kind of under ground security that our nukes have? If not then commandos may have been able to seize some of the nuclear launch sites.......

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Ive seen some nice Swiss airforce films. They dont have many big airbases, so they fly their Mirages from roads and even grass strips.

Yeah we'd have jammed them. Probably used EMP right off the bat because I def. think we had that in the atmosphere overhead. Also them B-52s woulda launched their cruise missiles from beyond engagement range of Soviet SAMs. (Pacific, Europe, Mid-East, Arctic).

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